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Study: Growing Number of Employees Are Not Loyal
Inside Indiana Buisness ^ | 9/7/07 | Walker Information

Posted on 09/07/2007 12:34:26 PM PDT by qam1

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To: american_ranger

Yup. I work in HR, and it’s ugly to see what goes on. It’s made me physically ill a few times.


81 posted on 09/07/2007 4:16:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: qam1
Loyalty is an illusion. As a rule, employers of zero loyalty to employees. They are a means of performing labor that generates revenue. When their labor fails to generate revenue, then are booted out. Companies generally expect an employee to be loyal. Those who are not will be punished or expelled.

The article cites "boomers" as having the lowest loyalty. I think that is a consequence of experience with the reality that employers have zero loyalty to employees. The younger employees just haven't been around long enough to get slapped by their disloyal employers yet.

As a personal example, I worked 240 hours per month from May 2001 to April 2002. I was paid for 160 hours per month, but my employer billed the customer for the whole 240. The revenues kept a who department of people with no assignments from being laid off. In June 2002, the place where I was putting in those long hours folded. My company was no longer on the gravy train with big revenues coming in from my labor. Did they set any money aside and make plans for future work? No. I was sent a layoff notice...along with all the other "chair warmers" who had produced nothing for almost a year. ZERO LOYALTY! I had 480 hours of vacation on the books. I took 40 hours and used the time to chase new work. In that week, I tracked down $3 million in new opportunities. I took that work to a different manager inside the company. My layoff was over. The other POS manager who took all the money and sent me a layoff notice wanted a "piece of the action". I told the guy to screw himself. No loyalty goes both ways.

82 posted on 09/07/2007 4:18:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: american_ranger

A fool and his money soon part seperate ways. It would be interesting to see what that companies financial shape was 7 years after that.


83 posted on 09/07/2007 4:18:49 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: NewRomeTacitus

this is not true of anyone who works for me....very loyal bunch I’d say

;>)


84 posted on 09/07/2007 4:19:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (the future of the West is bleak)
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To: qam1
"... with 78 percent classified as either truly loyal or high risk."

Someone help me out here... my brain seems to not be working. What the heck does that mean? 78% either "truly loyal" or "high risk?" DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Is that like when CNN said that "Experts agree: Bin Laden either dead or alive?"

85 posted on 09/07/2007 4:21:08 PM PDT by avacado
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To: qam1
I was loyal to my former company for nearly 10 years (many 50+ hour work weeks over the years).

Then the telecom melt-down occurred in early 2000 to 2002. I was laid off... I got the message loud and clear. I picked up a new career about 4 months later (I'm still with the same company - nearly 5 years now).

Work hard and do the best possible with the understanding that businesss is business. If something better comes along (career-wise)... do NOT hesitate... take it!

86 posted on 09/07/2007 4:22:29 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Califreak
Anyone here still believe in that two week notice nonsense?

Yes, I did at my last job. Didn't stop the boss from being an ungrateful jerk anyway. I later heard he had to hire THREE people to do my job and was still wondering why I left.
87 posted on 09/07/2007 4:24:28 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I would say 90% of American corporations have no concept of the importance of the IT knowledge base to their continued existence - to them it's just another service to be outsourced like janitorial and gardening. They only find out once it's too late, after they've already done something stupid. ;)

The corporate memory and skill embodied in employees is grossly underestimated. I left the employ of PacBell in 1991...along with 5,000 others. The company decided it needed to cut headcount to improve the bottom line. They did save lots of salary expense. They also wiped out 500 major projects that were underway. Out of that 500, they determined that 380 were a total loss. They no longer had the ability to proceed. They took the 100 most likely to succeed and outsourced many to a well known IT consulting firm. Nearly all of the outsourced jobs were screwed up beyond belief. Once again, the loss of corporate memory lead to incorrect decisions by unknowledgeable contractors.

One of the key reasons I joined the 5,000 in the November 1991 exodus was the sure knowledge that I would be mercilessly hammered as a resource to the outsourcing. No thanks.

88 posted on 09/07/2007 4:30:03 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: qam1

boy, this is right on the money.

i see this daily.

at cvs the younger people could care less whether the kids shoplift the place blind.

my apartment building. the maintenance man is in charge of the hired landscapers. rumor has it that he gets a cut for using this company.

they’re in the process of destroying the trees, bushes, and flowers because they don’t want to care for them.

i mentioned a problem to the maintenance man and he said that he wanted to spend the owner’s money. at first i thought he was joking, then i realized no, he was not.

he’s alway’s slipping stuff into his pickup.


89 posted on 09/07/2007 4:34:49 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
...many employees do not get a pension ... and only have a 401K offered for their retirement...

My company went from a 'traditional' defined benefit retirement plan to a defined contribution plan shortly before my retirement. I wish the change had been made before I began working for them as the defined benefit plan is just a shackle.

90 posted on 09/07/2007 4:37:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: KC_Conspirator
This article is pathetic. As someone close to me said about company loyalty - “Between you and your company - you are even every 2 weeks”.

The employee is as much a business as the company worked for. The relationship between the two is a service contract. That may sound cold but it is realistic.

91 posted on 09/07/2007 4:41:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: OCCASparky

I later heard he had to hire THREE people to do my job and was still wondering why I left.

Figures.


92 posted on 09/07/2007 4:48:13 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Ah, they are just like big ol teddybears. Sweet as can be.


93 posted on 09/07/2007 4:50:59 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: freekitty

I’m sure they are. You have a nice weekend.

D1


94 posted on 09/07/2007 4:52:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Califreak
I later heard he had to hire THREE people to do my job and was still wondering why I left.

My wife worked for the San Ysidro health center early in our marriage. He job was coding the insurance forms. She was very good. They had to hire 3 people to replace her as well.

The contract where I was working 240+ hours per month was a consequence of covering for 2 C++ programmers, 4 Java programmers and 2 EEs. It wasn't supposed to be that way, but I just kept inheriting responsibilities as Qualcomm pulled their employees out of the Wingcast operation.

95 posted on 09/07/2007 4:55:51 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Califreak
Figures.

And next month I'm going to a conference he's more than likely going to be attending. This oughta be good.
96 posted on 09/07/2007 4:56:55 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Myrddin

People who can do the work of THREE people are terribly unpopular. I know-I used to be one.

Looking right now.


97 posted on 09/07/2007 5:00:31 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: qam1
In today's America, employer loyalty means working for less money, reduced benefits, and instead of regular raises to keep up with everything else that's going up in cost, be happy with phony incentives and stupid prizes in lieu of deserved raises.

Hope everyone likes commissions and incentives instead of real pay raises.

98 posted on 09/07/2007 5:05:27 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: DoughtyOne

You too.


99 posted on 09/07/2007 5:10:29 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Loyalty to a corporate entity is for chumps. I spent 12 years in Corporate America and used to laugh at the guys who ate up all the corporate bullshit like it was food of the Gods.

I was in high-level sales and for my last six years was always in the top five nationally. I didn't want management because I wanted to rely on my efforts only, not try to prosper by babysitting eight others.

My espoused theory was that my one and only job was to maximize my personal earnings while minimizing time away from my family. One guy in particular hated my 'me-first' attitude. He was convinced that the best path was to sell whatever the marketing dopes were pushing that month. He never understood that my way put more money in every pocket up the ladder or that when the rifs started the only safe place was at the top, even after he was axed in one.

I'm retired, wonder what corporation he's loyal to now.

100 posted on 09/07/2007 5:13:39 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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