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Chavez vows revenge for Falklands war
The Sunday Times Online (UK) ^ | September 2, 2007 | Martin Arostegui

Posted on 09/02/2007 1:51:41 PM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: Bender2; TrueKnightGalahad
Bender2, I can certainly read a map. I am not whistling dixie or tinkling in the wind here. Clearly, we are talking right past each other.

The Venezuelans have purchased the SU-30MK2s and the Venezuelans also have in-flight refueling capability with both KC-135 and C-130H aircraft. The new SU-30MK2s have the ability to be refueled in-flight which extends their range. I guess I took it for granted that you knew this...clearly, that was my bad.

That puts the UK route within their range.


Venezuelan SU-30MK2s


Venezuelan Boeing 707-384C (KC-135)

221 posted on 09/02/2007 8:06:37 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: B4Ranch

If they guy is going to destabalize the western hemisphere single-handedly, we better find one. Otherwise we’ll be combating the Chinese army in our own neck of the woods.


222 posted on 09/02/2007 8:16:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: B4Ranch

Isn’t that amazing. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw that.


223 posted on 09/02/2007 8:17:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: PGalt
Hugo wouldn't have a life or a boot on the ground willing to defend what was once his country.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats what it looks like. I can't see Venezuelans driving 40 year old vehicles in order to turn Chavez into a New Age Castro.

Any odds on how long he is gonna last?

224 posted on 09/02/2007 8:18:00 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Bender2; TrueKnightGalahad
Sorry, the Venezuelkan KC-135 pic did not show up from the site...I have uploaded it myself to my server. Here it is:


Venezuelan Boeing 707-384C (KC-135)

225 posted on 09/02/2007 8:29:50 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: BnBlFlag

The gym or the range ?......:o)


226 posted on 09/02/2007 8:31:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Jeff Head

Now I would have lost that bet......they have KC’s ???

Good info, thanks !


227 posted on 09/02/2007 8:35:01 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Candor7
Any odds on how long he is gonna last?

I have no idea. He can squander all of the oil revenue he wants on military equipment, but that will not buy him one more day on earth when the stupid socialist decides to use it.

228 posted on 09/02/2007 8:43:13 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: B4Ranch
These days we are hesitant about overpowering foreign governments with “undue” force for fear that we will be seen as a monster who doesn’t know when to stop killing.

It ain't undue force till there's no one left to sign the surrender papers.

229 posted on 09/02/2007 8:44:04 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (The heroes of Flight 93 diverted the wrong plane.)
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To: Jeff Head; Millee; carlr; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; StephenTX; wallcrawlr; Auntbee; blackie; ...
Jeff, you have only proved one thing here...

And that is your ego will not allow you to admit you offered up a wrong statement and are unable, or unwilling, to admit that...

Your adding chaft to the wheat will not make eatable bread!

My opinion of you has fallen drastically...

I am not above making a mistake and God knows I have made a bunch of them in my 60 years. Yet I have never felt I was above my peers here on FR when I misspoke or misstated something.

You have placed yourself on a plain above us mere mortals here on FR, and that I find contemptible in someone I agreed with in the past.

Refuting an argument with facts not then in play is the action one would expect from someone like Hugo Chavez!

I hate to lose my respect for one I once considered a knowledgeable colleague, but I can let loose of you without remorse...

My late Father told me to never suffer fools.

So, take care, Jeff. You are a God and prove it each and every day the FR masses get down on their knees to worship your each, every work and pray for your guidance and forgiveness!

I, sir, shall stand on my unbending knees and will not darken your door evermore!

230 posted on 09/02/2007 8:45:21 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: 5050 no line
Socialist gubbermint prefers taxpayers' funds to go to no-hopers, serial single mothers, idlers and economic migrants handouts...

... just as long as the no-hopers, babymommas, slackers, and illegals keep on voting.

231 posted on 09/02/2007 8:51:13 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (The heroes of Flight 93 diverted the wrong plane.)
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To: Squantos

I’ll take the M14, you can keep the weapons bearer.


232 posted on 09/02/2007 8:53:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: Bender2
I am not infallable and have never claimed to be. If you have followed my posting here on FR over the years, you would know that I have made my share of mistakes and readily admit to them.

This is not one of those times. I have tried to remain respectful and understanding in the face of some fairly derisive comments rgearding this, which apparently will continue. If in your estimation I have failed to do show respect or good decorum, I apologize.

I am also sorry you feel the way you do. It has not been my intent to mislead, to add chaff, or to otherwise create a wrong impression...and yet I apparently have failed in that, for the which I again am sorry.

But the facts are, as I have indicated from the start, that the SU-30s that Chavez has bought pose a serious threat to the UK task force and that that task force would be in there range and require US help. The Venezuelans have had refueling capability for something like 40 years I believe, and one of the major selling points of the SU30s they bought (among others, including anti-shipping missile capability) is its inflight refueling capability which gives it the range to pose the threat.

I am sorry you feel the way you do about my intent and my character...but your feelings thereof, though something I had not sought or intended, and though something I sincerely regret, can be just as mistaken as you claim I am.

Others will have to judge for themselves.

233 posted on 09/02/2007 9:03:20 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Squantos
No prob Squantos. Chavez is a problem we will have to sooner or later confront. And he is continuing to put together some significant capabilites. I hope we do it sooner rather than later.

Anyhow, I'm going to sign off now. Never intended or thought this thread would take the turn and slide it did.

234 posted on 09/02/2007 9:07:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: RightOnline
A swarm of cruise missiles into the Presidential palace. Problem solved.

Yeah, that's definitely a capability that the Brits have all on their own and needs to be considered. IIRC back during the Falklands war the Thatcher Government leaked information that they'd sent one of their SSBNs South, and the Black Buck missions were partly intended to show the Argies that the RAF could bomb their mainland if it wanted to.

With TLAM-C the RN now has a conventional, and relatively risk-free, option for hitting mainland targets from subs.
235 posted on 09/02/2007 9:18:56 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Jeff Head

Nite !!


236 posted on 09/02/2007 9:18:57 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: DoughtyOne
“All I ask is that we wait for Danny Glover and his entourage to arrive......”

And Cindy Sheehan, and Susie (Medea) Benjamin too, and Jane Fonda..........Mostly Al-Sheehani. I am still hoping to see Hanoi Jane stand trial for her treason, someday before I die.

But wouldn’t a JDAM right through the roof be great as the Hugo and Sheeman are puckered up in another one of those photo op embraces?

237 posted on 09/02/2007 9:22:50 PM PDT by silver charm (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Jeff Head

Hey Hugo, who in the LIVING HELL made you president of Argentina?

Oh, lemme guess, you speak for every South American, much like Hitler spoke for every White European.


238 posted on 09/02/2007 9:35:53 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Trinidad&Tobago: Proof that a Muslim minority (5%pop) causes a majority of a country's problems.)
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To: Jeff Head
The Venezuelans have had refueling capability for something like 40 years I believe, and one of the major selling points of the SU30s they bought (among others, including anti-shipping missile capability) is its inflight refueling capability which gives it the range to pose the threat

Looking at the map posted earlier I think all Chavez would need is the cooperation of Chile to put his forces in the thick of it.

However Chile would be very foolish to do so as we import tons of fresh vegetables and fruit from them and I'm sure that would end pronto.

BTW, we helped Britain w/ material and transportation during the Falklands war. IIRC C-130 trips to the Ascensions primarily.

239 posted on 09/02/2007 9:36:17 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Jeff Head
We should simply call his bluff forcefully and make him look the fool. Send a joint Brit and US Navy carrier task force to the Caribbean

I'll second the motion. Chavez is a fool for thinking that we'd stand off and let our traditional ally get unilaterally mauled.

240 posted on 09/02/2007 9:41:18 PM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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