Posted on 08/31/2007 5:28:19 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
My guess, if Rittberg wore a "Pull the Troops out NOW!" T-shirt, he'd be described as an accomplished long term member of the Paul team.
Excellent point.
Ron Paul is perfectly willing to hire Rittberg and to appear on Alex Jones' program.
It's reminiscent of the dustup over his newsletter/campaign flyer. It goes out as a piece authored by Ron Paul with a number of clearly racist comments, interestingly a comment on the evil Israeli lobby similar to remarks attributed above.
The explanation, not my feelings, someone wrote it for me. Fine as far as it goes, but leave open the question of why an outspoken racist would be in a position of trust sufficient to actually author something in Ron Paul's name. Very poor character judgement, or a tolerance for racists. Which doesn't make him a racist as his cultists will soon accuse me of saying.
I totally agree. If it’s the advice of the unsurpassed Washington, I’m all for it.
My reaction to Paul’s comments at the famous debate was that it’s all moot about not getting involved, though. We’re in it now; you can’t just pretend we are not and start playing in 1s and 0s.
Of course, Washington had a sense of honor, which he extended to actions of the nation as well. A post of mine on the "quote" from another thread.
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Is that ever true. The Washington quote is one of the most misused by internutters of the isolationist, and other, varieties. Ironically its the WIKI version of the quote.
Ill use The Papers of George Washington, a final version of the Address in the NYC Library archives archives for my comments on the theory, other transcripts differ a bit word to word, but legitimate sources include the omission(s)
Rather than
"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to domestic nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."The 2 paragraphs blended into one actually read, my bold for the deleted line. Im sure the omission by internutters is an accident, theyre the most principled of political commentators and would never make a deliberate omission to support their point.
The Great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign Nations is in extending our comercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence therefore it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations & collisions of her friendships, or enmities.
Of course the context of the speech is important as the wisdom of our mutual defense treaty with France (yes, we were obligated by treaty entered into by the Founders to defend France) was being questioned at the time.
No matter, the omitted line negates the purpose the altered quote is generally used for, not fulfilling already formed engagements.
Many of you have actually read the Address, but for the benefit of the internet cut and pasters, the next three paragraphs, my bold as to the reiteration of Washingtons point about fulfilling engagements.
Our detached & distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one People, under an efficient government, the period is not far off, when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or War, as our interest guided by justice shall Counsel.
Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European Ambition, Rivalship, Interest, Humour or Caprice?
'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign World--So far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it--for let me not be understood as capable of patronising infidility to existing engagements, (I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy)--I repeat it therefore, Let those engagements. be observed in their genuine sense. But in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.
Personally I suspect a 21st century would recognize that our position isnt as detached & distant as in the 18th century, and that our ability to defy material injury from external annoyance ended in 1812, as some of us were reminded on 9/11.
But Washington's position on infidelity to existing relationships is clear.
Of course. I didn’t think of Washington as the kind to not deal with problems, nor with the Founders as a whole. Look at the Barbary Pirates. Look at Madison for the “1812” war.
Good read. Thanks for posting.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian and Libertarians tend to be diverse on a variety of issues. Sort of wild card folks, but generally conservative....but not on all issues.
I also think we should follow a policy of not intervening where we shouldn’t. But if we are attacked directly, or a military base in a foreign country, the country that attacked us should be certain that we will fight back. If it is one of our allies, we should be ready to offer them any support they may need, short of sending our soldiers to the action, except in a dire case.
CD 14 ping
“Ron Paul is a mole for the Communists.”
lol, does this sound like Karl Marx:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
LOL! Ron Paul employs a “total whackjob” for 12 years? Interesting.......
Just another reason I think Ron Paul is a kook. It’s time for district 14 to vote him out. When Paul was running the first time, he had PROMISED term limits on himself. As all can see he didn’t intend to ever keep that promise.
Over the years, Dondero just got weirder and weirder. At the beginning, he worked with lots of people, Republicans, Libertarians, etc. Then he just fell apart over advocating prostitution. Then that really bad book. His wife and those beating/abuse stories, etc. At one time, Dondero was respected in many circles but he turned into a contrarian wacko that attacked everyone and everything around him. He’s so radioactive no one who once associated with him will have anything to do with him now. Truly, he is pitiable. He’d had a bright future ahead of him.
I AM one of his constituents and you ARE 100% right.
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