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Who Is Allah ? (Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God ?)
The American Thinker ^ | 08/23/2007 | Soeren Kern

Posted on 08/23/2007 9:58:47 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society, but they won't be laughing for very long. The de-Christianization of Europe in the name of "tolerance" is rapidly driving the spiritually shiftless continent into the arms of Islam. And now, amidst the postmodern theological confusion that defines contemporary Europe, even Catholic clergy are jumping on the Islamomania bandwagon.

The latest post-Christian theological spectacle comes to us from the Netherlands (of Ayaan Hirsi Ali fame), where the Roman Catholic Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens, says he wants Christians to start calling God "Allah" because he believes such a gesture would promote "rapprochement between Christianity and Islam". Appearing on Dutch television, the 71-year-old cleric said:

"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? ... What does God care what we call him?"

Inquiring minds want to know: If the bishop really thinks the names "God" and "Allah" are interchangeable, why doesn't he ask Muslims to start calling Allah "Yahweh", the biblical name for God? But he won't, because he knows they won't.

Indeed, just because Christianity, Judaism and Islam are called "monotheistic" faiths, it does not follow that Christians, Jews and Muslims pray to the same God. So for those pre-postmoderns who believe that words still mean something, a quick survey of archaeology, history and theology-accompanied by a dose of common sense-can answer the question of whether the Allah of Islam is really the God of the Bible.

What Archaeology Says about Allah

Muslims claim that in pre-Islamic times, "Allah" was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets and apostles. Indeed, the credibility of Islam as a religion stands or falls on its core claim of historical continuity with Judaism and Christianity. No wonder, then, that many Muslims get uppity when the claims of Islam are subjected to the hard science of archaeology.

Because archaeology provides irrefutable evidence that Allah, far from being the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, was actually the pre-Islamic pagan moon-god. Indeed, it is an established archaeological fact that worship of the moon-god was the main religion of the ancient Middle East.

But what about the Arabian Peninsula, where Mohammed (570-632) launched Islam? During the last two centuries, prominent archaeologists have unearthed thousands of inscriptions which prove beyond any doubt that the dominant religion of Arabia during Mohammed's day was the cult of the moon-god.

In fact, for generations before Mohammed was born, the Arabs worshipped some 360 pagan gods housed at a stone temple in Mecca called the Kabah. According to archaeologists, the chief deity of Mecca was the moon-god called al-ilah (meaning the god or the idol), which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. Pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave themselves: Mohammed's father (Abdallah), for example, had Allah as part of his name.

What History Says about Allah

Historians say that pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped the moon-god by bowing in prayer toward Mecca several times a day. They would also make a pilgrimage to Mecca, run around the Kabah seven times and throw stones at the devil. And they fasted for one month, which began with the appearance of the crescent moon and ended when the crescent moon reappeared.

These same rites form the core of Islam today: Muslims bow in prayer toward Mecca; they make a pilgrimage to Mecca and run around the Kabah seven times; and they still throw stones at the devil. They also observe the fast of Ramadan, which begins and ends with the crescent moon.

Moreover, the ancient symbol of the pagan moon-god, the crescent moon, is the official symbol of Islam; it appears on the flags of Muslim countries, as well as on the tops of mosques and minarets everywhere.

Historians say that Mohammed, who as a traveling trader was exposed to Judaism and Christianity during his visits to different parts of the Middle East, tried to mimic those monotheistic faiths by taking Allah, the main deity within the Arabian pantheon, and making it the only god. Indeed, the basic confession of Islam is not that "Allah is Great" but that "Allah is Greater". Greater than all the other idols, that is.

But Islam also draws from other pagan traditions. For example, the tale of Mohammed's night journey into heaven parallels the Zoroastrian story of Arta Viraf. Zoroastrianism also inspired the Islamic belief that dark-eyed virgins await every man who enters heaven. And the Islamic ritual of praying five times a day? That, historians say, originates with the Sabeans, Syrian pagans who practiced an ecumenical mixture of Babylonian and Hellenic religion.

No surprise, then, that some scholars refer to Islam as monotheistic heathenism.

What Theology Says about Allah

Muslims claim that Islam is Judaism and Christianity reformed. They say the Koran confirms the truth of the Torah and the Gospels. But since those texts did not jive with Mohammad's beliefs, they accuse Jews and Christians of changing and distorting the original versions. Muslims therefore assert that the Koran "clarifies" the Bible.

Even if that were the case, the Koran and the Bible present ideas about God (especially about His character) that are so diametrically opposed that any reasonable observer would conclude that each book refers to a distinct deity.

The Koran, for example, states unequivocally that Allah is an unknowable and non-personal deity. By contrast, the God of the Bible allows Himself to be known and desires fellowship with human beings on a personal basis. Indeed, the Bible says that Abraham (the same Abraham whom Muslims say they venerate) was the "friend of God."

The Koran also portrays Allah as a vindictive deity who hates sinners and desires to afflict them. But the Bible says God is love.

Moreover, the New Testament teaches that God loved humanity so much that He came to earth to pay the debt for man's sin, and that that act of grace is available for free to anyone who believes Jesus Christ is their personal Savior. But Islam denies that Christ was God or that He died in order to save humanity. Indeed, Allah does not provide any way for man to be reconciled to God.

And the theological differences go on and on, so much so that the God of the Bible cannot possibly be the Allah worshipped in Islam. Unless, of course, a Dutch bishop says so.

Allah and Eurabia

Mohammed thought the Jews and Christians of his day would receive him as a prophet. But the Bible says that any new revelation must agree with what is already established in Scripture (Isaiah 8:20). So they rejected his Allah as a false god. And Mohammed replied by setting his Islam on a permanent warpath against Judaism and Christianity that continues to this day.

The Dutch bishop and other Muslim fellow travelers think they can buy a fake peace with Islam by playing relativistic word games as a part of an "inter-faith" dialogue. But Muslims understand much better than do post-modern Europeans that ecumenical appeasement is a symptom of a Judeo-Christian civilization that is weak and dying.

The irony is that the real danger from Islam stems not so much from ordinary Muslims as it does from sickly Europeans who have subverted their Judeo-Christian heritage in search of secular hedonism. Because they live only for the moment, they are willing submit to anything, including Islam, as long as it doesn't interfere with the pursuit of pleasure today.

It has been more than 50 years since the late Christian apologist C.S. Lewis first warned about Western Civilization's disastrous lurch into post-Christianity. But even he would be surprised to see how quickly Islam is filling the religious and cultural vacuum that is post-Christian Europe.

It's not that Europeans haven't been forewarned. It's that they couldn't care less.

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Soeren Kern is Senior Analyst for Transatlantic Relations at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group.


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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

i agree with the youth making it.. but that’s a different subject.
it was the name combination and the appearance of tash and aslan (giving proof to the marked difference) and what their realms were (evil and good) that i was referring to. CAIR would scream about making them being the same, about how the names were combined and meant the same thing, and how we were saying they were evil.


61 posted on 08/23/2007 11:05:00 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: Sonny M
From what the muslims I went to college said, Mohammad hated dogs (he claimed they were satanic) but seemed to be a cat lover.

I think either the quran or hadith has him having a woman executed for killing a cat.

If your wondering if I took anything they said seriously, not really, but they seemed pretty big on hating dogs (probably think Mike Vick is a great guy), but they all acted like cats were holy or some crap.

Dogs are flat out evil in islam. Cats are a little more murky. You can not sell a cat or have one as a pet. See Mulsim vol III no. 3808 of the Hadith.

62 posted on 08/23/2007 11:06:03 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SirLinksalot

bookmark


63 posted on 08/23/2007 11:11:26 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: SirLinksalot

“Indeed, Allah does not provide any way for man to be reconciled to God”

Yep. In fact I read their “to do list” .

Long and detailed.

Christians to-do list says: “It is finished”


64 posted on 08/23/2007 11:12:54 AM PDT by biscuit jane ( Islam - cult of death born of swine)
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To: 2banana
You can not sell a cat or have one as a pet. See Mulsim vol III no. 3808 of the Hadith.

They said the same thing, but they way the said it implied that it was a capital offence (then again in islam, what isn't?) to own, sell, harm, injure, or look at funny, a cat.

I just thought it was bizarre.....they didn't think it was funny when I made a few jokes about some take out places serving cat meat.

For a second I thought one of them was going to call for a fatwah or something, they got ticked off about it.

65 posted on 08/23/2007 11:13:03 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

a partial list

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

84. * The following ten things are essentially najis:

Urine
Faeces
Semen
Dead body
Blood
Dog
Pig
Kafir
Alcoholic liquors
The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.


66 posted on 08/23/2007 11:16:39 AM PDT by biscuit jane ( Islam aphobe)
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To: pacelvi

Seems sort of a stretch.


67 posted on 08/23/2007 11:18:38 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: evets

Remember when a certain pro-Muslim organization called CAIR made waves over that cartoon? The same CAIR is on the ropes now.


68 posted on 08/23/2007 11:19:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: biscuit jane

Dogs and Pigs
106. The dogs and pigs which live on land are najis, and even their hair, bones, paws and nails, and every liquid substance of their body, is najis. However, sea dogs and pigs are Pak.

Kafir
107. * An infidel i.e. a person who does not believe in Allah and His Oneness, is najis. ...

As regards the people of the Book (i.e. the Jews and the Christians) who do not accept the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad bin Abdullah (Peace be upon him and his progeny), they are commonly considered najis, but it is not improbable that they are Pak. Ho wever, it is better to avoid them.

108. The entire body of a Kafir, including his hair and nails, and all liquid substances of his body, are najis.

SO mohammedeans consider non-muslims (kafirs) equal to pigs ,dogs, and shyt.


69 posted on 08/23/2007 11:24:04 AM PDT by biscuit jane ( Islam aphobe)
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To: SirLinksalot
Confirms for me that Islam is really a form of pagan worship cloaked in a form of monolistic faith by calling a moonrock god “Allah”. This has been spun from the devil.
70 posted on 08/23/2007 11:25:10 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Not really.

This is from the book AntiChrist: Islam's Awaited Messiah

What Is The Seventh And The Eight Empire?

 

Before we procede, I wish here to acknowledge someone who has greatly contributed to my understanding of this issue.  His name is Walid Shoebat.  He is a former Palestinian terrorist and is the author of Why I left Jihad.  I highly recommend this book.  It may be ordered through his web site at www.shoebat.com

 

Beyond the above identification of the nations of Ezekiel 38, the Book of Revelation also confirms the notion that indeed the region of Turkey will be the head of the future Antichrist Empire.  Let’s examine these passages from the Book of Revelation:

 

There I saw… a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.  Revelation 17:3

 

Here we see the final “Beast” empire of the Antichrist.  The Beast is seen to have seven heads and ten horns.  We already know from the Book of Daniel that the ten horns represent the ten nations or kings that will comprise the Antichrist Empire.  But the seven heads are seven empires that have existed throughout history that all have been foreshadows of the final empire that is to come.  As usual, whenever a prophecy is given in the Bible that may be difficult in its symbolism, the Bible clarifies the symbolism and explains the passage for us:

 

This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.  They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.  The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. Revelation 17:9-11

 

Now the seven heads are called seven mountains.  The Bible often uses mountains as a symbol representing a kingdom or an empire.  But most importantly this passage gives us insight into the fact that before Jesus returns, there will actually have been a total of eight “Beast” empires.  The eighth empire will be ruled by the Antichrist.  How can this passage help us gain insight into the identification of the final Antichrist Empire?  First, we see that at the time that it was written to John, five of the empires had already fallen.  This is seen in the phrase, “five have been.”  These empires are generally accepted by Bible teachers as being the following:

 

 

 

 

 

 

After these five, the angel tells John that one empire “is.”  At the time that John wrote the Book of Revelation, Rome “was.”  It ruled the Middle East, Northern Africa and much of Europe.  Thus the sixth empire was the Roman Empire.  The next empire, of course, is the seventh, and then the eighth will be the empire of the Antichrist.  So the seventh empire is the empire that we need to identify.  Because according to the verse above, it is the eighth empire that will be a resurrection or a revived version of the seventh empire:

 

“The beast who once was, and is not, is an eighth king.”

 

Let me just paraphrase this portion for clarity:

 

“The seventh beast (empire) that existed, but then did not exist, will come back as an eighth empire.”

 

So if we are now waiting for the final eighth empire, then what was the seventh?  What empire followed Rome? 

 

Because of the harsh anti-Semitic nature of the German third Reich, some Bible teachers have speculated that Germany was the seventh empire and thus Germany will come back as the eighth. 11

 

The most common belief however, held almost universally by Bible teachers, is that the Antichrist Empire will be a revived Roman Empire.  There are however some glaring problems with this theory:  Firstly, Rome was the sixth empire.  If Rome was the sixth, and will also be the last, then what happened to the seventh?  This theory has a gaping hole.  Is Rome the sixth, seventh and the eighth empires?  Neither Scripture nor history nor common sense supports this.  Secondly, every one of the previous six empires ruled the Middle East, including Jerusalem.  This is very important.  We must always remember that the Bible is thoroughly Jerusalem centric.  It is not America centric, nor is it Western centric.   In the biblical view of things, Jerusalem is the center of the earth.  This point cannot be underscored enough.  Any theory that revolves around a revived Roman Empire based in Europe - for instance on the European Common Market - is a foreign concept to the Bible.  Unless the empire rules over or directly affects Jerusalem, it is actually a bit irrelevant to biblical mind-set.

 

And the third crucial point is that if we look at the first six empires, each succeeding empire either destroyed or absorbed the empire that preceded it.  There is a very natural sucession.  If we look at each empire, we see that they all fulfill these two characteristics:  they ruled over Jerusalem and they defeated or absorbed their predecessor.  The Egyptian Empire ruled all of Egypt and Israel as well.  But the Assyrian Empire defeated the Egyptian Empire and likewise ruled over a vast portion of the Middle East, including Israel. After this, the Babylonian Empire defeated the Assyrian Empire and became even larger than its predecessor, again, ruling over Israel.  Such is the pattern with each successive empire:  The Medo/Persian Empire succeeded the Babylonian Empire only to be succeeded by the Greek Empire.  The Greek Empire was in turn suceeded by the Roman Empire.  Which leads us to the seventh empire.  Who overcame the Roman Empire?  In order to answer this question, we need to briefly review the fall of the Roman Empire.  What exactly happened?

 

In 395 A.D., The Roman Empire was divided into two portions; the eastern and the western portions.  The Eastern portion became known as the Byzantine Empire.  In 410 A.D. the western capital city of Rome fell to invading Germanic tribes known as the Visigoths or Barbarians.  The western/European half of the Empire including its capital had fallen but the Roman Empire nevertheless continued.  How so?  It simply shifted its capital and its throne from Rome to Constantinople – a thousand miles east.  The western European portion of the Roman Empire fell but the Eastern Byzantine portion of the Roman Empire lived on for nearly another thousand years with Constantinople as its capital. The Roman Empire didn’t actually completely fall until the eastern portion of the Empire finally fell to the Turks in 1453 A.D.  Likewise it was the Islamic Caliphate of Umar Ibn al-Khattab that took Jerusalem in 637. Thus we see that it was the various manifestations of Islamic Empire culminating with the Ottoman Empire that suceeded the Roman Empire and ruled over the entire Middle East, beginning with Jerusalem for over thirteen hundred years. 12 The Turkish Empire existed right up until 1909.

 

Thus we see that the only empire that fulfills the patterns necessary to be considered the seventh empire is the Turkish/Ottoman Empire.  This of course corresponds perfectly with Ezekiel’s list of nations with such a heavy emphasis on Turkey. 

 

The Coming Restoration Of The Caliphate

 

The Turkish Empire was the seat of the Islamic Caliphate.  It was not until 1923 that the Islamic Caliphate was officially abolished.  Today the Islamic world is awaiting the restoration of that Caliphate.  The Bible teaches that someday soon the Turkish Empire will be revived.  

 

The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, then he was not, and yet came again. Revelation 17:8

 

At that time, we may expect to see the Islamic Caliphate restored.  Eventually this position will possibly be given to a man whom the Muslim world would refer to as the Mahdi, but whom people of understanding would identify as the man known biblically as the Antichrist.

71 posted on 08/23/2007 11:26:26 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: SirLinksalot
Maybe I am uninformed; but I thought Allah was a prophet; a man.
72 posted on 08/23/2007 11:27:19 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: freekitty

Mohammed’s the prophet, Allah’s his god.


73 posted on 08/23/2007 11:34:55 AM PDT by agrace
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To: SirLinksalot
Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

NO

74 posted on 08/23/2007 11:35:14 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson - POTUS 44)
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To: pacelvi; 2banana; SirLinksalot

Islam is NOT an “Abrahamic religion,” no matter how much its liberal supporters want it to be such.

I assume everybody is aware that pagan Rome had a “black stone” that was supposedly buried at the center of the city and had been brought from some place in the Middle East. Romans used to swear by the Black Stone.

Since Arabia also had a black stone (these stones were all meteors, which had obviously seemed quite spectacular to primitive peoples), and since the ME had been dominated by Rome and it was only the collapse of Rome that allowed Mohammed’s military force to take over, it was a no-brainer for Mohammed to include the black stone as part of his cult as well.

He picked up whatever he thought would serve his desire for conquest. Islam has NO connection with Abraham.


75 posted on 08/23/2007 11:52:49 AM PDT by livius
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To: biscuit jane
Great post.

bump.

More than just Islam, many religions have a works doctrine (almost all, with a potential exception in atheism).

76 posted on 08/23/2007 12:05:50 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: agrace

Thank you.


77 posted on 08/23/2007 12:09:32 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Christianity has many pagan roots, the Bible went through its vetting for the official versions, there’s slavery and genocide in the Bible, etc.

Here are a few articles to clear some misconceptions :

DID CHRISTIANITY HAVE PAGAN ROOTS ?

This article explains why the answer is NO

This article explains how pagans actually BORROWED from Christianity instead of the other way around.

RE: Slavery

Here is an explanation of slavery in ancient times and why Christianity does not condone it but simply learned to live with it (much as Christians are living with the fact of the killing of babies today).

See also here

RE: Genocide in the Old Testament

This article explains the rare instances of genocide in the Bible and why these are never repeated elsewhere and cannot be used to justify murder today.

See also here for an extended explanations of why God ordered the slaughter of the Amalekites.

Hope this helps.
78 posted on 08/23/2007 12:10:11 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: Nachum
Kern could have made his article even more credible by instead of merely using "Historians" and "some scholars" actually naming some of these historians and scholars, and maybe even quoting them.

While Islam is a pagan religion, many non-Christians draw parallels between Christianity and Mithras. Satan can corrupt things to throw people off.

79 posted on 08/23/2007 12:17:36 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Nachum

Bump for your rational post.


80 posted on 08/23/2007 12:21:40 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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