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Sanctuary Cities ((Essay by Fred Thomspon)
I'm with Fred ^ | 08/13/07 | Fred D. Thompson

Posted on 08/13/2007 3:25:13 PM PDT by SE Mom

If you listen to folks who oppose immigration and border enforcement, you get the feeling they think we put locks on our doors to keep everybody out. The truth is we have locks so we can choose who comes in.

An example of what happens when we don’t make the choice took place August 4th when three Newark, New Jersey, college students with great promise were executed, gangland style. The killers’ ringleader was apparently an illegal alien indicted twice in 2007 for felonies, including the rape of a kindergarten-aged girl.

Why would such a person be set free instead of being handed over to authorities for deportation? The answer is that Newark is a “sanctuary city” which bans cooperation between local officials and federal immigration officials. More than 60 sanctuary zones, including 30 of America’s largest cities, provide a national networked haven for foreign and organized criminals who recruit and operate outside those areas as well. These sanctuaries include Cambridge, Massachusetts; Los Angeles, California; Detroit, Michigan; Chicago, Illinois; Austin and Houston, Texas; Denver, Colorado; and New York City.

The consequences of “sanctuary cities” may be most obvious in the city that became the first in 1979 — Los Angeles. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, a confidential California Department of Justice study from the mid-1990’s showed then that at least 60 percent of the members of L.A.’s most violent gangs, with membership in the tens of thousands, were illegal aliens. Of all outstanding murder warrants in Los Angeles, 95 percent are for illegal aliens. Frustrated police say they are powerless to pick up even well-known, previously deported felons.

(Excerpt) Read more at fredfile.imwithfred.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee; War on Terror
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To: wtc911

From my experience in management and business there is no follow up on the checks employers do. Just file those I9 forms away. This enforcement based on SS reports is something new and applies to employers who pay witholding on ten or more. It has the disadvantage of being delayed, as many file quarterly. The electronic system they have piloted could ping illegals instantly, but Dems won’t release that info to law enforcement. even if an ax murderer is on the loose..


141 posted on 08/14/2007 12:43:04 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: SE Mom
Sanctuary Cities?

Seems like this is turning into a blame game between the Feds and local government hacks.

I personally am more concerned with the Federal governments, "sanctuary country"... Since many non-sanctuary cities are over run with illegals.

142 posted on 08/14/2007 12:45:58 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: DCPatriot

That was simpler and more straightforward. We have allowed the left to con us into bashing business while they pad their roles with nurses and teachers for the ranks of illegals in the sanctuary cities. At the same time, we let them count them for representation in the census. Imagine how many reps they would lose, if illegals went home.


143 posted on 08/14/2007 12:53:23 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: SuziQ
"*snort* I'm assuming you mean BO'R."

The one and only. (They didn't just break the mold they smashed it)

144 posted on 08/14/2007 1:11:12 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: SuziQ

Hmmmm......I don’t remember saying they were illegal. I just said as long as I can remember San Antonio has had Mexicans. Besides a lot of my non Mexican relatives came from San Antonio.


145 posted on 08/14/2007 1:15:15 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: mnehrling

Jeez guys, I was born and raised in Texas. My first vacation at age of 5 over 55 years ago was to San Antonio. Ya think I might know something about it?


146 posted on 08/14/2007 1:17:19 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty

It wasn’t a response to YOU directly. It’s just that there has been so much negativity toward Hispanics on FR in the last few months, that it’s good to point to those who are NOT illegals, and who have been contributing members of society in these United States for a while. In some cases, far longer than the families of some of those yammering about the illegals.


147 posted on 08/14/2007 3:41:05 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: jwparkerjr

In a world that was not so far out of kilter a state or city government that refused to support the enforcement of federal law would lose all federal funding.

In a world that was not so far out of kilter, there wouldn't be such a thing as "federal funding."

Have we become so accustomed to what is sometimes called "creeping socialism" that we've grown to accept it as the cost of doing business???

148 posted on 08/14/2007 4:09:31 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: jwparkerjr
It might well be that we’ll end up with $11 per head lettuce and tomatoes that cost us $3 each

That line of agitprop has gotten far too much mileage.

The cost of labor -- "picking and packing" -- is a relatively minor cost of the final product.

The reason for the promulgation of the "eleven dollar lettuce" lie is the simple fact that people enjoy workers who will work for peanuts, without complaining (although that seems to be changing, as criminal aliens become increasingly secure in their position, and increasingly bold in their demands).

Other than China, criminal aliens are the best thing since slavery. (If that's how one views such things.)

We have pissed all over the legacy left us by the founders. Hip hip hooray.

149 posted on 08/14/2007 4:13:18 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: End Times Crusader
Well, I’m a Fredhead, and I freely admit that Fred is in support of giving nonviolent illegals amnesty. So what? What else could be done with so many people?

What is this, a trick question?

You do the same with them you do with ANY criminal -- you bust 'em when you find 'em. Good grief, maybe it IS rocket science.

But, thanx for y'all who clued me in to Fred being pro-amnesty. Thanks to your efforts, I am now an official "Stay at Home Voter."

Screw it.

150 posted on 08/14/2007 4:26:59 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ellery
Most people in this country don't deal with the illegal immigration problem face-to-face on a daily basis.

Ah, but that's changing, rapidly.

I live in a very rural midwestern county. It wasn't that long ago that high school kids took summer jobs "working in the fields." Now, the population is about 15% Mexican -- probably for the most part illegal, going by what I've observed (and conversations with cops). Crime is up, and high school kids don't work during the summer anymore. The Mexicans came in and undercut them. Sort of like "block-busting, country-style."

So, more and more people -- even people living in "way out of the way" locations -- are coming "face-to-face on a daily basis" with this nightmare. And it ain't pretty.

The government's response has been a redefining moment in the concept of "cynical." A year or so ago they DID have something of a "crackdown." The feds came in, and busted something lie 50 to 75 illegals.

The surreal thing was that they were NOT the Mexicans that they had to wade through in order to get to the target of the crackdown -- which was a single Chinese restaurant.

I guess the Chinaman took one look at things, figured it was perfectly safe to run an operation based on illegal alien workers, but DIDN'T realize that this sort of Above The Law pass ONLY applies to Mexican illegal aliens.

Bottom line appears to be that so long as "prominent" employers -- deep-pocket big-fish types with political clout -- WANT to have their "virtual coolie labor force", Washington will look the other way, and when necessary to make it LOOK like they're doing something, go after some two-bit Chinese restaurant.

151 posted on 08/14/2007 4:41:15 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ClaireSolt
The illegals are worth a lot in federal payments and also increase the representation of areas that have been losing population.

And let's not forget the Dirty Little Secret -- a LOT of the illegals VOTE!

What? It's illegal for them to vote? LOL! Think that one through, please.

Our Glorious Leaders, rather than crack down on the illegal "community", have decided to pander to it, because they KNOW that they vote.

It's beyond disgusting.

152 posted on 08/14/2007 4:47:23 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ClaireSolt
PS: What this amounts to is that in a very real way, we are an occupied nation, living under rules of occupation, subject to the wishes of our occupiers.

Our "vichy government" lacks the balls to come right out and admit this, yet, they do do the bidding of the occupiers, like a good little vichy government.

153 posted on 08/14/2007 4:50:16 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ClaireSolt

that is interesting...


154 posted on 08/14/2007 4:51:28 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: ClaireSolt

that is interesting...


155 posted on 08/14/2007 4:51:40 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: ClaireSolt

that is interesting...


156 posted on 08/14/2007 4:51:43 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: elk
Hey, someone needs to start a new non-profit, called VIA - Victims of Illegal Aliens.

What, and be marked for life as "leader of a hate grouup"?

No thanks. There's no percentage in it. The tide has turned. Up is down, wrong is right, and lunacy is normal.

157 posted on 08/14/2007 4:57:50 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: DCPatriot
Thank God people like Fred Dalton Thompson and Newt Gingrich...who are coming out swinging against government paralysis...are differentiating between violent illegal criminals and the vast majority who are peacefully living, working and struggling among us.

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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Tuesday he is "sickened" that President Bush and Congress went on vacation "while young Americans in our cities are massacred" by illegal immigrants.

Tell us again how you can tell which are the violent felons before they rape, murder, assault.....

Oh, that's right, you can't.

158 posted on 08/14/2007 4:59:34 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: DCPatriot; RavenATB
Which, BTW totally invalidates your ridiculous assertion that ALL illegals are criminals and need to be sent packing.

Ah, a believer in the existence of "law-abiding illegals", are we?

Thank you for our daily dose of doublethink.

159 posted on 08/14/2007 5:00:55 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Don Joe... it's depressing to have to take time to explain the difference between a misdemeanor (being in this country illegally)and a violent felony (rape, murder, assault.

The ignorant should be pitied...and the ones with a bigoted xenophobia should be ignored.

Should you be pitied or ignored?

160 posted on 08/14/2007 6:28:27 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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