Posted on 08/13/2007 2:16:05 PM PDT by knighthawk
Breda - The Dutch Roman Catholic bishop Tiny Muskens is urging the faithful of all religions to call God Allah in order to foster mutual understanding. The bishop of the city of Breda says God does not mind what he is called and points out that Allah is the Arabic word for God. The bishop, who is retiring in a few weeks, added he did not expect his ideas to find immediate acceptance. He expects it could take 100 or 200 years. Bishop Muskens has previously defied the Vatican by calling for the acceptance of married priests and the use of condoms against aids. He has also said that those who are poor may steal bread.
I’m a Muslim. We believe that Jesus is God’s prophet and he’s dear to us like Mohammed is. We believe that there’s only one creator and he/she is God (Allah). Jesus is a human being, but he is a miracle of God (Allah). Muslims believe that there’s only one creator (namely God or Allah) and one religion. Mohammed completed Jesus’s duty. The holy book was defected by some people and remember, there were hundreds of versions of bible and in Iznik council, they could decide to accept 4 of them. Bible was defected... Now, Jesus is a miracle himself and non-defected holy book, Qur’an is a miracle of God, too. Jesus and Mohammed don’t contradict, they complement each other, like the other prophets who were sent before... In real bible, the news about Mohammed was written. Jews knew this, too... That’s what we believe... God is the English name and Allah is the Arabic name, Tanri is the Turkish name of the only one Creator, that’s all. I can call whichever you want, but Jesus is the prophet of God who is a human being like we are, like Mohammed is... I cannot say Jesus is God. Also, Islam is not a religion of violance. I just wanted to say this, because westerners are being cheated about Islamic belief. We’re not enemies, in Qur’an, it is said that “ones who believe only one God, and who work for peace and goodness will be in heaven forever”. It doesn’t matter if he/she calls himself/herself as a Jew, Christian or Muslim.
If somebody kills him, that won’t be a real Muslim or will be a Muslim who doesn’t understand Qur’an and Islamic belief or phiosophy (maybe these two have the same results: not being a Muslim...).
I understand you and agree with you. But please know that, Islam doesn’t have such punishment. In contreversy, according to Islam (Qur’an) nobody has the right to intervene another one’s belief. We pray only to God to forgive us... We don’t have any priests to obey, Islamic researchers may only recommend. Free will is the rule of Islam. Islam wants us to be secular. One can understand it easily... Only those who want to have the power is cheating their Muslim people if violence was the obey of Islam (!). That’s nonsence... If somebody believes that scarf is necessary for a Muslim woman, nobody can intervene her belief. But she cannot intervene mine, too. Because I believe that scarf is not a necessity. Some of the Muslims in Iran, Iraq, Turkey want to have a secular country. Turkey already has it and I wish, this doesn’t come to an end...
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Jesus is the Son of God.
The Holy Bible is the perfected Word of God.
When Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose again, his “duty” was completed.
Welcome to the forum. What country are you in?
Why not get the other people to use the word “God”?
And in the process, get them to stop chopping heads off.
“The Dutch Roman Catholic bishop Tiny Muskens is urging the faithful of all religions to call God Allah “
One word to describe the bishop. Evil.
Islam is not the religion of violence? Then why do they kill in the name of Allah? Jesus says to love your enemies, Mohammed doesn’t say that.
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels.
So wound their bodies and incapacitate them
because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle,
inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them,
so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
This contradicts your claims of “peace”.
So no, Jesus and Mohammed have nothing to do with one another. Jesus is divine, the son of God who came to save us from our sins. He says so Himself. And no, the Bible is not “defected”, it is the word of God.
If Islam is peacefull, and if we in the west are being “cheated about Islamic belief”, then perhaps you need to explain it to your brothers who kill innocent women and children, hide weapons in Mosques, enslave or kill Christians in Africa, car bomb market places, kidnap aid workers and journalists, export weapons, stone and mutalate women, target our priests and nuns, riot in European cities, and fly planes full of innocent people into buildings, bomb embassies and hotels, and force-convert people.
Other than that, yeah, your religion is “peaceful”.
Benedict, time to take one of your own to the woodshed.
In Islam, Allah has NO son.
God has a Son, Jesus Christ.
But, some people are already ahead of Muskens. There is actually a Christian Bible (so-called) Arabic translation that uses Allah for God. Take a guess whether the Muslims accept it. The hint is . . . NO!
Welcome to Free Republic.
I am not going to get into all the manuscript evidence and historical evidence apart from the Bible that refutes your claims about the Holy Bible, but I do want to just take a minute to explain just a little about what Christians believe.
As a Christian, I must point out an important distinction between the Muslim Jesus and Christ Jesus, Son of God by explaining WHO Jesus is.
Jesus was not just a prophet, He was and is and is to come. He is God incarnate. Fully man and Fully God. He came on earth to save us from our sin. Because he LOVES us and desires a relationship with us.
You see, my God requires NOTHING from me, apart from Faith. There are no rituals I must exercise, no prayers I must memorize, I just must fully place my trust in Him. I am assured, with Him as my Lord and Savior, that I will be with Him in Heaven.
He makes this promise. His Grace is sufficient.
He has done all the work. It is all about what He did for me. He, and he alone. There are no co-redeemers. That is why in His last breath on the cross, He declared, “It is finished.” There is nothing else that could perfect His work on the cross. It is finished. Additionally, there is nothing I can do or say that would make Him forsake me—He amazingly promises that once I became His, noone can take me from His hand. NO ONE or THING.
If He is not God, He would not have any power to forgive my sin, much less take on the sin of the world. His death would be in vain. It would be for absolutely nothing. The only one who could make that kind of promise would be God, Himself. And if Jesus didn’t die for me, then I have no hope.
You see God is perfect and holy and righteous, and it is the height of arrogance to think that I could please Him with my own works. The Bible says that our “works” are like filthy rags. We cannot earn our way to Heaven. We cannot even try. That’s why Jesus did the work for us. In His resurrection, He conquered death. Death has no power over the Christian. We are assured eternity with the King of kings and Lord of lords.
It is complete. His grace is sufficient. And to that I say, Hallelujah! To God be the glory!
rain, you will be in my prayers.
“Free will is the rule of Islam”
Sure, that’s why a muslims means ‘slave of allah’. And that is why under sharia law non-muslims have to pay jizya like the quran dictates:
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
And of course there is sura 2 and 3, very nice to non-muslims what is written there, not to mention sure 48.28 or 3.110. And about the treatment of woman, sura 4.34 and the whole sura 66 are more then enough to see that woman are less then men.
“Islam wants us to be secular”
That is just total nonsense. The quran is very, very clear that allah’s word is above all. The word of allah is the law by which men must live by. The reason that Turkey is secular is that the army made sure that islam and the state are kept apart.
Defenestrate him
I am cuurious about the use of the word "tehnri". (I actually fugot that Oghuzz Turks use this pronounciation, rather than the Northern and Eastern pronounciation, "Tengri".) Do you use the common Turkish for every day use, and stand by the Arabic "Allah" for ceremonial?
how many Christians are left in the Netherlands ?
Real ones you mean? Only in isolated communities in the middle of the country are some.
He’s insane.
Allah was a pagan moon-god.
Perhaps this bishop is a blinkered moon-bat.
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