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India: 60 years later
Toronto Sun ^ | 2007-08-11 | Salim Mansur

Posted on 08/12/2007 6:22:02 AM PDT by Clive

As the midnight hour approached for India 60 years ago on Aug. 15, 1947, Jawaharlal Nehru, the prime minister designate, took to the podium to address India's Constituent Assembly in session in New Delhi.

Nehru said: "Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny, and now the time comes when we shall redeem our pledge, not wholly or in full measure, but very substantially. At the stroke of the midnight hour, when the world sleeps, India will awake to life and freedom."

Freedom came with a cost as British India was partitioned to create Pakistan on the basis of an exclusive religious demand of a segment of the Indian Muslim population for a separate state.

Six decades later, in a much altered post-Cold War context of globalization and Islamist terrorism, India's emergence as a major player in global politics is viewed with anticipation, and not indifference or apprehension in the world's major capitals.

The March 2006 visit to India by U.S. President George W. Bush was planned to put in place a strategic partnership between the two democratic giants.

The agreement reached between Washington and New Delhi on nuclear co-operation is an acknowledgement by the world's only superpower that a stable democracy needs to be treated on a basis entirely different from rogue and failed states such as Iran and Pakistan.

India is an ancient land of immense contrasts and contradictions. Here, all faith traditions have found a home and received respect, while India as a civilization grew rich on borrowings from other cultures.

More languages in greater numbers are spoken in India than in Europe, and next to China with over a billion people India is multicultural without requiring of Indians to put multiculturalism on parade.

But India remains poor, and its poverty is a huge drag on its progress.

Since the midnight hour of freedom the immense challenge for India's political class has been one of meeting the basic needs of the poor hile remaining committed to ensure Indians can benefit fully from the modern world of science and industry.

The proudest achievement of Indians -- despite the terrible toll of communal riots, secessionist movements, communist insurgencies, political assassinations, regional grievances, wars and natural disasters -- remains their firm commitment to maintaining democracy and constitutional rule.

Indeed, modern India has held together and grown stronger over the years only because democracy has been the uniting factor for a people historically divided by caste, ethnicity and religion.

In the hour of India's severest test -- its independence stained by the wounds of religious nationalism precipitating the partition of the land -- its leaders did not falter in their commitment to make of India a democratic and secular republic.

As the world's largest democracy, India's lesson for the developing countries of Africa and Asia is that neither freedom can be effectively protected nor needs of the poor met with some measure of success and dignity in the absence of democracy.

India's troubled relationship with the West, especially during the peak of the Cold War years, is now history.

The future holds the promise of the West and India joined together to provide for a likely coalition of democracies protecting freedom and human rights against countries and ideologies that fear or resent the modern world of deepening globalization.

It is certain that as this future unfolds increasingly prominent will be India's role.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 1947; britishempire; britishindia; india; partition; raj
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There was a bit of disappointment by some of us in the Commonwealth when India was partitioned.

But in retrospect, it is perhaps fortunate.

India does not have Pakistan and Bangladesh as festering sores within its body politic.

1 posted on 08/12/2007 6:22:04 AM PDT by Clive
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Salim Mansur ping.


2 posted on 08/12/2007 6:22:28 AM PDT by Clive
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“India does not have Pakistan and Bangladesh as festering sores within its body politic.”

Ofourse it does.


3 posted on 08/12/2007 6:45:44 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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It has Pakistan and Bangladesh as festering sores outside its body politic.
4 posted on 08/12/2007 6:52:11 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Clive

“There was a bit of disappointment by some of us in the Commonwealth when India was partitioned. But in retrospect, it is perhaps fortunate. India does not have Pakistan and Bangladesh as festering sores within its body politic.”

Do you see a commonality with the situation in Iraq? It would be “easy” in many ways to partition Iraq, and then let each partition then form its own alliances and government.

India benefited from decades of British parliamentary rule before independence. Iraq didn’t have self rule for centuries (Turks, etc) before they got independence, and obviously they’ve struggled to rule themselves.


5 posted on 08/12/2007 6:57:07 AM PDT by TWohlford
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Which is worse. Within India, they would have been under better control.


6 posted on 08/12/2007 7:17:18 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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“India benefited from decades of British parliamentary rule before independence. “

What nonsense. Benefited?!! How? India was an Empire under the Viceroy not under any parliamentary democracy.


7 posted on 08/12/2007 7:19:47 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: TWohlford

The Brits left behind a shitty legacy of what exactly not to do in Iraq.


8 posted on 08/12/2007 7:21:56 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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“What nonsense. Benefited?!! How? India was an Empire under the Viceroy not under any parliamentary democracy.”

Okay, let me rephrase my unfortunate statement —

Which was better, the Brit rule of India, or the Turk rule of Iraq? Which one gave the people a fighting chance at democracy once they gained independence?

The Brits weren’t at all perfect, but the Indian politicians (for better and worse) pretty much adopted the Brit system when they got the chance to form their government. Given the large number of countries that have that form of government, I’m thinking that this wasn’t a bad thing.


9 posted on 08/12/2007 7:28:02 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Gengis Khan

“The Brits left behind a shitty legacy of what exactly not to do in Iraq.”

Uh, please expand... was the spin-off done poorly? Or the colonial “occupation” done poorly? or...???


10 posted on 08/12/2007 7:28:55 AM PDT by TWohlford
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British India had a central legislature on the British model since the early 20th century and was effectively a confederation of a mix of British provinces and Princely states with which Britain had treaties. The provinces had varying degrees of autonomy. The sub continent was organized as a federal system, although more properly described as a confederation.

In 1947, most of the Princely States joined India and a few joined Pakistan and India attained full sovereignty as a federal system with the states having sovereignty intra vires as set out constitutionally.

India and the provinces and states that comprise it have had long experience at parliamentary government, before and after independence.

A widely flung empire cannot effectively be centrally governed in every respect, even through Viceroys and Governors General. Matters of local concern are best left to local legislatures even though overriding sovereignty still rests with the Empire. This is trite fact going back to the Roman Empire and probably before.

The Colonial Laws Validity Act is a 19th Century law which recognized a tradition that had long been evolving which recognized the validity of the enactments of colonial legislatures. The doctrine of sovereignty intra vires also has judicial sanction since the 19th century.

This doctrine recognizes the apportionment of sovereignty between provinces within a confederation and apportionment of legislation making powers between the Empire and its component jurisdictions based on constitutional instruments, evolving practices hardening into constitutional tradition and the rule of law.

I am grossly oversimplifying

11 posted on 08/12/2007 7:59:53 AM PDT by Clive
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“I am grossly oversimplifying”

Not nearly so much as the marauding troll!


12 posted on 08/12/2007 8:21:21 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Clive

“I am grossly oversimplifying”

But you made my point much clearer, and I appreciate the learning experience.


13 posted on 08/12/2007 9:16:42 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Gengis Khan

Perhaps. But having the festering sores as outsiders — “them” — can offer a unifying theme within (at least for those who identify more closely with the national identity than with the outsiders).


14 posted on 08/12/2007 1:04:07 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Gengis Khan
Be careful, there are many lackeys of the British Empire that post here from time to time.

That being said, the adoption of English Common Law has been a major competative advantage for India. It was this, more than anything else, that truly was beneficial in terms of concepts brought from the UK.

15 posted on 08/12/2007 3:55:39 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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“Which was better, the Brit rule of India, or the Turk rule of Iraq?”

I would chose Turk rule of Iraq. It was better then Saddam's Iraq or British empire (at least Turk rule of Iraq never had hunger holocausts).

“Which one gave the people a fighting chance at democracy once they gained independence?”

Once you have already gained independence then its up to you to build democracy regardless of who your previous master was. Pakistan was also under British rule, what happened to their democracy. How many countries in the common wealth are “democracies”?

“The Brits weren’t at all perfect, but the Indian politicians (for better and worse) pretty much adopted the Brit system when they got the chance to form their government.”

Worng. Indians adopted their system from the best of many different sources. Indian constitution was adopted from the Irish system.

“Given the large number of countries that have that form of government, I’m thinking that this wasn’t a bad thing.”

You are totally clueless.

16 posted on 08/13/2007 5:48:07 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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“Uh, please expand... was the spin-off done poorly? Or the colonial “occupation” done poorly? or...???”

“Occupation done poorly”? You seem to have taken courses at some PC community college.

I was talking about “Partition”. Following the British example of breaking up a country would ensure perennial conflicts and bloodbath for generations to come. (Of course the Brit media spin doctors will always have you convinced otherwise).

17 posted on 08/13/2007 5:53:33 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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Yeah right. Thats why Pakistan got divided into 2. /sarc

So much for your “unifying theme”.


18 posted on 08/13/2007 5:57:50 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Clemenza

Indian legal system is not simply an adoption of English Common Law. Thats a misconception that many people have. Many of the British laws were modified post independence. In fact it is more of an amalgamation of Irish, French and American and British system adapted to Indian tradition. In other word, its an “Indian product” whose individual components comes from many different sources.

BTW India has a single written and codified contstitution, while Britain does not.


19 posted on 08/13/2007 6:12:46 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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“Benefited?!!(sic) How?”

If one acknowledges only the trains and the English language, then there is plenty benefit enough.


20 posted on 08/13/2007 6:33:46 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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