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Sagging Pants May Have Contributed To Fatal Shooting
The Indy Channel ^
| 07/30/07
Posted on 07/30/2007 11:08:32 AM PDT by Abathar
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To: TexasCajun
Last month, I saw a guy in charleston wv skateboarding down a street while holding up his big pants with the other hand.
I swear, I laughed so hard I almost peed on myself.
To: Abathar
I still think you would need to see the exit wound to tell exactly where he was facing to the shooter myself. If it exited behind the right ear, perhaps taking out the spine for an instantaneous kill all the guy had to do was turn his head or just start to twist his body for that to happen.
1)I am under the impression there was no exit wound.
2)It would be virtually impossible for the officer to have fired when the perp was facing him, but the perp was able to turn his head and make other movements before the bullet got there. Think about this for a second: The officer surely fired at the center of mass. So, this perp would have had made some sort of movement that put his head more in the area where center of mass would be, and turn his head really, really fast.
Either that, or the cop's not good with his gun. Or he shot the guy running away.
Of the three scenarios, which is more likely?
Look, If I caught someone in my house robbing it, I probably shoot with no questions asked. But I can't chase a guy down and shoot him when he's fleeing. Cops can't either. The only difference is that they can chase and say "I thought he had a gun" if they shoot the perp and it looks a little funny.
Maybe its all as the officer says. Maybe extraordinary circmstances and random chance occurred and the guy did turn his head really, really quickly. Its just a little hard to go with that option.
To: Disambiguator
As you've probably read on this thread, there are a lot of explanations for baggy pants--probably some urban myths included.
Personally have heard that it comes from prisons where belts aren't allowed so that prisoners don't hang themselves (or others) or garret people. If the pants they issue you are too big, then they'll tend to sag.
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posted on
07/30/2007 12:26:37 PM PDT
by
Jedi Master Pikachu
( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
To: Jedi Master Pikachu
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posted on
07/30/2007 12:33:55 PM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: Beagle8U
Really depends on angle of entry, but it is perfectly possible to shoot someone from the front and have an angled intry into the skull behind the ear, especially if the perp was starting turn his head even slightly, beginning to scan for which direction to run. Behind the ear doesn’t necesarily mean in the crease behind the ear.
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posted on
07/30/2007 12:45:39 PM PDT
by
Valpal1
("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
To: 50sDad
Backwards ballcaps, another sign of stupidity that crosses all race lines.
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Or of a neck that is getting red.
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posted on
07/30/2007 12:47:15 PM PDT
by
Greg F
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To: Valpal1
” Behind the ear doesnt necessarily mean in the crease behind the ear.”
I know, but it sounds more like he was turning to run ( again) or was running away.
Either way it doesn’t look good for the cop’s credibility and/or judgment.
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posted on
07/30/2007 12:53:27 PM PDT
by
Beagle8U
(FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
To: Abathar
There should be a law that all would-be criminals be provided a government-issued belt, so that police can’t mistake their pulling their pants up for pulling a gun. They have a right to be treated fairly./s
To: Abathar
I do not know where saggin started but having been around the local police “a lot” I know that some drug dealers keep their stash in a pocket in the sag. Some pants even have a false crotch sewn in.
They also have been known to carry their firearms there as some police are hesitant to search the crotch. Also as one poster here noted the scum also booby trap the crotch.
My thought is “Another one bites the dust!!!!!!”
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posted on
07/30/2007 1:16:12 PM PDT
by
jdietz
("There's small Revenge in Words, but Words may be greatly revenged" Ben Franklin)
To: Abathar
Can’t bring myself to show any sympathy for the alleged britches puller.
To: Abathar
Don’t mess with the fashion police.
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posted on
07/30/2007 1:22:28 PM PDT
by
Hacklehead
(God, Guns, Guts and Greenhouse Gas Emissions Made America Great)
To: vladimir998; Chieftain
That is fantastic! You are poet and don’t know it!!!Terrific...LOL>
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posted on
07/30/2007 1:39:37 PM PDT
by
Recovering Ex-hippie
(The truth about men who watch or set up dogfights.......they can't get it up !)
To: Beagle8U
“Depends on where the exit wound is. If it was behind the other ear then its ok, if it came out his right eye socket then there may be some questions to answer. I think if that was the case the lawyer would have been all over that point in court.
There is still no way to shoot someone facing you behind the ear, even from the side.
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Possible scenario:
The badguy jumps the fence, faces the officer, reaches to pull up his trousers and begins turning to the right to continue his flight. Depending on how the officer was trained to shoot, a headshot may have been indicated (immediate threat indicator ie a draw stroke). If the officer targeted the head and the badguy was turning as the shot broke, he could have taken the hit behind the left ear.
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posted on
07/30/2007 1:40:25 PM PDT
by
petro45acp
(NO good endeavor survives an excess of "adult supervision" (read bureaucracy)!)
To: Greg F
In teens that have never seen fieldwork, I mean. No slam on hard working Southerners implied.
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posted on
07/30/2007 1:49:50 PM PDT
by
50sDad
(Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
To: Beagle8U; Abathar
There is still no way to shoot someone facing you behind the ear, even from the side.
Remember the MSM is telling you this information. If the MSM tells me the sun is rising I still look out the window to verify.
They’re the people who put the “fake” in “fake but accurate.”
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posted on
07/30/2007 2:12:05 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: vladimir998
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posted on
07/30/2007 2:30:56 PM PDT
by
EDINVA
To: Beagle8U
Nah, he could have been turning at the exact moment the officer fired.
People need to stop the armchair quarterbacking unless there obvious misalignments between the officer’s story and the angle of entry. Sloppy reporting isn’t one of them.
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posted on
07/30/2007 2:42:41 PM PDT
by
Valpal1
("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
To: Beagle8U
“No, but the cops story doesnt make sense and if used in court he will likely lose.”
Goblin looks at cop, pulls pants up to run, cop believes he’s going for a weapon, cop aims-prepares to fire, goblin turns to run again just as cop squeezes trigger, cop has no reflex time to slack off on trigger, goblin learns stupidity can be a capital offense in the real world.
To: Abathar
I’m one of the first people on FR to jump on stories about bad cops. But having watched enough episodes of COPS and getting tired of seeing too much underwear I can really see where the officer would err on the side of use of deadly force.
I’m with you...no tears here.
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posted on
07/30/2007 6:59:33 PM PDT
by
Artemis Webb
(Cindy Sheehan for Congress! Because...well...just because!)
To: AppyPappy
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posted on
07/30/2007 7:00:38 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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