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A just war against the murderers in our midst
The Observer ^ | July 15, 2007 | Henry Porter

Posted on 07/15/2007 11:29:58 AM PDT by neverdem

Our way of life is tolerant, spirited and full of humour. We should make no apologies for fighting the moral descendants of Stalin and Hitler who would destroy it

On a rare dry evening last week I walked to a meeting in London. The streets were full and the pubs overflowing with drinkers, many of whom are on the pavements because of the smoking ban: people having a good time at the end of an average working day, smiling and joshing each other. Too often we forget that we have built a successful and good-natured society over the last 10 years at the same time as absorbing a million or more people from scores of countries around the world. If you ever wanted to see the accumulated virtue of British culture you might start with the humour, consideration, tolerance, generosity and all-round nous to be found in any mixed gathering anywhere in these islands.

It is on this society that al-Qaeda has declared a particular war. The people having a good time are the ones that al-Qaeda wishes to blow apart and maim and intimidate with its bloody plots and fantasies. The recent failed attacks in Glasgow and London, the guilty verdicts of the 21 July bombers and the statement by bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri promising a precise response to the knighthood for Salman Rushdie make it plain that Britain is the prime target for al-Qaeda in the West. There are 80 extremist groups in the Midlands, 60 in Leeds and Bradford and 35 in London. Some estimates put the number of people who need watching at 3,000. According to the security services, the time in which groups move from radicalism to action is shortening.

A couple of weeks after a man had attempted to blow up...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; gla; globaljihad; golbaljihad; haymarketcarbombs; islam; islamism; jihadineurope; justwar; muhammadsminions; waronislamism; wot

1 posted on 07/15/2007 11:29:59 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

“There are 80 extremist groups in the Midlands, 60 in Leeds and Bradford and 35 in London. Some estimates put the number of people who need watching at 3,000.”

So, I take it nothing will happen till something does happen? Any idication if the Glasgow and London group(s) were being even watched prior to? Feelin’ it’s a slow burning fuse & waiting for the eventual bang.


2 posted on 07/15/2007 11:42:35 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: neverdem
Al-Qaeda is as anti-matter to freedom and to all Western societies And because Islamism has no ability - no intellectual mechanism - to make concessions we should never expect some kind of negotiated settlement, as happened with the IRA. Indeed, there is every reason to believe that our withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq will be seen as justifying further attacks on the West.

I couldn't agree more, but the liberals (e.g., Nancy and Harry) just don't get it. They think the mental tact that Chamberlain took in the late 1930's will work here. Well, it didn't work then and it sure as Hell won't work now. Still, these cut-and-run idiots think appeasement will save us. Stupid...

3 posted on 07/15/2007 11:53:57 AM PDT by econjack
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To: neverdem
The largest number of killings in England, and especially in the US, are aliens who have nothing to do with any organized terrorism. Between criminals and drunken drivers, illegal aliens in the US kill more Americans than all the world's organized terrorists put together.

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4 posted on 07/15/2007 11:59:39 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: econjack

This is why my son and all of our troops fight them over there so we don’t have them blowing us up on our own streets in this country. It comes to my mind that the claims that Harry and Nancy and others keep making that Iraq is the wrong place to fight Al Qaeda fails the acid test miserably. Where on this planet have Al Qaeda attacks happened? Somalia? Nairobi, Kenya? Dar es Salaam, Tanzania? Yemeni port of Aden? The Philippines? New York City (twice)? London England? Have I missed any locations (probably)? Are these places in Afghanistan (which is were these liberal idiots keep claiming the real war is)? So, where is Al Qaeda based? Only in Afghanistan? And for those who claim Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before 2003, BS. Musab al Zarqawi was in Iraq (having fled Afghanistan after the U.S. invasion) in 2002, nearly a year before the U.S. invaded Iraq. Do these people really believe he went to Iraq all by himself? That he did not recruit others into his branch of Al Qaeda? Lemmings appear to believe this. Do not these people know that Iraq under Hussein harbored other terrorists even before the 1991 war? Again, lemmings.


5 posted on 07/15/2007 12:09:09 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: SoldierDad

Right on brother, keep the passion up. Your son and mine have probably been fighting in the same neighborhoods. (2/69 3BCT 3ID Yusufiyah/Rustamiyah “Triangle of Death”) We correspond to several 10 MTN soldiers—big extended family. Regards and God speed.


6 posted on 07/15/2007 12:29:34 PM PDT by brushcop (Men of B-Co 2/69 3ID Outpost Lion's Den/Iraq: Kill the enemy--in large numbers.)
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To: SIRTRIS

““There are 80 extremist groups in the Midlands, 60 in Leeds and Bradford and 35 in London. Some estimates put the number of people who need watching at 3,000.”

If their existence is known by the government, why is it that these perps are still free? I guess that the West is waiting for the mushroom cloud to appear before taking appropriate action, and even then it will be half-assed.


7 posted on 07/15/2007 12:38:40 PM PDT by 353FMG (America, first, last and always.)
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To: brushcop

I believe you are correct. My son’s main AO has been in the Mahmudiyah area south of Baghdad, which is very close to where your son is fighting, and the same area where the 101st soldiers and the 10th Mountain solders were ambushed and abducted almost one year apart from each other. I thank you for your sacrifice, and give my thanks to your son for his. My prayers go out for the success of mission and your son’s safe return home. Godspeed to you and yours.


8 posted on 07/15/2007 12:43:27 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: 353FMG

‘If their existence is known by the government, why is it that these perps are still free? I guess that the West is waiting for the mushroom cloud to appear before taking appropriate action, and even then it will be half-assed.’

Because in countries based on English Law (such as the US and England!) wishing someone ill is not sufficient to arrest them. They must commit a crime. You might just as well ask America why all the gang members are allowed to run around free. The police know who the gang members are and they know what they do, so why wait until they commit a crime? Just round them up and throw away the key. Internment without trial has a poor history in both of our countries.


9 posted on 07/15/2007 1:05:30 PM PDT by britemp
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To: neverdem

bump


10 posted on 07/15/2007 1:07:15 PM PDT by lowbridge (If You’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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To: neverdem
Many of the reader comments that follow the article are quite disturbing in their naivete:

Repeat after me: Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda. Does 'The West' really need a post-Soviet bogeyman so badly?

11 posted on 07/15/2007 1:13:30 PM PDT by lowbridge (If You’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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To: lowbridge

The Observer is now owned by The Guardian, hence the out-left comments from many. You must remember that many of these people believe that Stalin won WW2 and the UK/US/Canadian/ANZAC etc activities were just a sideshow. Similarly, it was Gorbachev and Gorbachev alone who ended the Cold War according to them and so on. Naturally they display the usual lefty trait of hurling insults at anyone who dares argue.


12 posted on 07/15/2007 1:28:15 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: neverdem

13 posted on 07/15/2007 3:10:22 PM PDT by Gritty (We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others - Dr Ijaz Mian, Sparkbrook Mosque speech)
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To: britemp

Like I said, we’ll just have to wait for the mushroom cloud to appear. I hope that you and your loved ones will survive it.

I don’t think that you should compare terrorists with gang members. If that were true, you’d have to wait for the terrorists to open fire before being allowed to respond in kind. Oops, I think we’re already doing that.


14 posted on 07/15/2007 3:13:00 PM PDT by 353FMG (America, first, last and always.)
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To: SIRTRIS
Lets just sit back and be thier next target. You need to rally a national protest in the streets to force Parliament to rid the country of this vermin!
15 posted on 07/15/2007 3:41:16 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: 353FMG
They may be politely waiting....but I doubt very much that it will be half-asssed. As Britain's Kipling said, in Et Dona Ferentes:

Build on the flanks of Etna where the sullen smoke-puffs float
Or bathe in tropic waters where the lean fin dogs the boat
Cock the gun that is not loaded, cook the frozen dynamite
But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!

16 posted on 07/15/2007 3:49:41 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: 353FMG
I guess that the West is waiting for the mushroom cloud to appear before taking appropriate action, and even then it will be half-assed.

The libs will not fight until they feel directly threatened or socialism itself is threatened. Remember the lessons about Nazi Germany. All socialists and communists supported the Nazis until Hitler attacked Uncle Joe.

Shout out to all our fighting men and women the world over and particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thank you for your service. Our prayers are with you and your families. May God bless you all.

17 posted on 07/15/2007 4:17:34 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: neverdem
Too often we forget that we have built a successful and good-natured society over the last 10 years at the same time as absorbing a million or more people from scores of countries around the world. If you ever wanted to see the accumulated virtue of British culture you might start with the humour, consideration, tolerance, generosity and all-round nous to be found in any mixed gathering anywhere in these islands.

This view of Britain might provoke a grimace of disbelief in quite a few Freepers, and indeed has been fairly difficult to sustain in recent years. But anyone who was in or around London 10 days ago, on July 7th, would have seen the biggest and happiest street party in the City probably since the Coronation of 1953. Four million people happily thronged to watch the two opening stages of the Tour de France. About 6% of the population of these islands gathered for a single purpose, and with such good humour that only 3 arrests were made over the two days.And this on the second anniversary of the 7/7 bombings and barely a week after the failed car bomb attacks. An altogether admirable, and very British two-finger gesture to the terrorists.

18 posted on 07/16/2007 12:38:33 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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