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"Gains"? WHAT gains? Losing elections by over a twenty percent margin?
1 posted on 07/02/2007 1:59:27 AM PDT by Baladas
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The idea that illegal aliens would vote GOP or their children would out of gratitude for getting legal status has been conclusively debunked. What the GOP should do is pursue an immigration policy that will serve the nation's highest interests, not out of a craven political calculation designed to win Hispanic votes in the future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 07/02/2007 2:03:13 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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THE DEMOCRAT PARTY LED CONGRESS & FAILED TO ENACT LEGISLATION

That is the bottom line.

3 posted on 07/02/2007 2:03:56 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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"to swing toward Democratic candidates."

I guess if they keep saying it might become true but by my count 15 dims voted against the legislation.

In fact if they hadn't it's doubtful it could have been stopped.

4 posted on 07/02/2007 2:04:59 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Just my opinion, no relationship to reality is expressed or implied.)
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Hispanics who are here LEGALLY will support the GOP.

Sorry to seem so rude about it, but they're the only Hispanic voters I give a damn about.

5 posted on 07/02/2007 2:05:16 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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Republicans risk losing hard-earned votes among Hispanic immigrants
Yes. Those illegal aliens (criminals) will be voting early and often for the Dims. Of course, they would vote for the Dims regardless of what the GOP did or did not do on scamnesty.
7 posted on 07/02/2007 2:06:31 AM PDT by peyton randolph (What we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal - Albert Pike)
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Hispanic voters could make GOP pay for defeat of immigration legislation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Caucasian Anglophiles and Negroid Swahili voters could make Dems pay for supporting immigration legislation.

FU SLIMES!

11 posted on 07/02/2007 2:11:02 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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The largest and fastest growing UNION is SEIU and they are chock full of “immigrant” janitors, housekeepers and healthcare workers, and have been pouring million$ in to the DNC.

Oh how nice it would be to assimilate 12-20 million dues paying members!

12 posted on 07/02/2007 2:15:09 AM PDT by endthematrix (a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other. - Hillary)
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What a shocker! The Hispanics who weren’t going to vote Republican anyway aren’t going to vote Republican.


15 posted on 07/02/2007 2:25:11 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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the nation’s Hispanics traditionally have voted for Democrats

Voting Democrat is only going to get them higher tax rates and less opportunity,
you can fool some of the Hispanics, some of the time,
but not all the Hispanics, all the time.


17 posted on 07/02/2007 2:27:33 AM PDT by Son House ( Democrats are Hostile to Tax Payers.)
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Reversing the lib bias the headline should read,
“15 DemocRats Defy Party Leaders and Ensure Immigration Bill Defeat”.

But don’t hold your breath.


18 posted on 07/02/2007 2:35:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Think not of today.)
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With the Senate immigration bill dead and buried, political activists say their next battle will be at the ballot box, where Republicans risk losing hard-earned bought votes among Hispanic immigrants.
20 posted on 07/02/2007 2:48:35 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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Except for Cuban-Americans, the nation's Hispanics traditionally have voted for Democrats, but many were swayed toward President Bush in 2004, when he received a landmark 40 percent of the Hispanic vote.

The best the Bush/Rove strategy has ever done among Hispanics has been about a 60/40 split, the wrong way.

Northern Mexicans are the majority among immigrants to Texas, historically, and it was among them that Bush, while governor, got a 40% split. Mexicans in Arizona, California, Illinois, etc., are another story. Those in California in particular are from the Mexican interior and southern Mexico and lean PRD at home and very socialist/Aztlanist here in the States.

Bush gets, in Texas, about a 50/50 split among Central and South Americans by pronounced catering, sponsorship of Hispanic political candidates, and speaking Spanish while pointing to Jorge P. Bush. His split among Mexicans and Chicanos has never been better than 30% -- Tejano Democrats enjoy strong voter loyalty and discipline, and new arrivals from Mexico are expected to continue and reinforce their strength -- in fact, they expect to be able to take over the state of Texas in about four years, and exclude Republicans from statewide office permanently thereafter. The racists among them have confidently predicted they'll be able to suppress the white vote by shutting out white candidates in the primaries, and eventually exclude whites as a group from holding office. Thus Tatcho Mindiola, a Tejano Democratic consultant and University of Houston political scientist, in a piece he wrote for the now-defunct daily Houston Post back in 1994 about vote suppression.

George W. Bush might as well be trying to woo Jewish voters by pointing out his Palestinian grandparents and his fluency in Jordanian-accented Arabic, as "credentials" in dealing with Middle Eastern matters and building peace!

22 posted on 07/02/2007 3:04:01 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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I don’t think the legal hispanic voters will agree; especially since the illegal hispanics cannot vote. Also, the illegals should be back in their own countries by the time the election comes around.


23 posted on 07/02/2007 3:05:30 AM PDT by freekitty
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The excerpt is from 2005.

If the total of eligible hispanic voters in 2004 was a mere 6% of the national total, the White House and RNC supposed 'strategery' and invective hurled at the conservative base opposing the so called Comprehensive Amnesty Reform makes even less sense.

What did the White House and RNC expect to pick 2.5% to 3% max of national voters?

Stupid. stupid, stupid move.

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Study finds gap in Hispanic growth, voters

WASHINGTON (AP) — The rapid increase of the Hispanic population in the United States is not resulting in a comparable growth in political clout, a new study found. Hispanics accounted for half the growth in the U.S. between 2000 and 2004, but only a tenth of the growth in votes, according to an analysis of Census data by the Pew Hispanic Center.

The population of Hispanics increased by 5.7 million over those four years, but only 2.1 million of those were eligible to vote. The number of Hispanic voters increased by only 1.4 million.

One reason for the gap: A high percentage of Hispanics are either too young to vote or are ineligible because they are not citizens.

The Hispanic share of the electorate was up slightly in 2004 to 6%, while the share of the population increased from 12.8% in 2000 to 14.3% in 2004.

About 18% of the Hispanic population — citizens and non-citizens — went to the polls in 2004, compared with 51% of all whites and 39% of all blacks, according to the Pew report.

Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry won the Hispanic vote in 2004, but President Bush got more than 40% of those votes, which had been a goal of his campaign.

27 posted on 07/02/2007 3:12:38 AM PDT by Covenantor (America's Fifth column is in the White House and Capitol)
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We need to get the illegal aliens and the illegal voters out of MY country, pronto!!
33 posted on 07/02/2007 3:38:48 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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This is more of a wishful thinking editorial than even a mildly objective or truthful article. What BS.


37 posted on 07/02/2007 4:43:04 AM PDT by NapkinUser ("The House will pass S1348 and the president will sign it into law. It's a done deal." -B. Chezwick)
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this is a demonrat article written by a demonrats....
If the Republican party will enforce the laws of immigration, 80% of the nation will stand up and cheer, and possibly vote Republican. The demonrats have to spread misinformation; misinformation is all the demonrats have ever had or will ever have.
39 posted on 07/02/2007 5:16:46 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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Some more folks that “just don’t get it”. Hispanic Americans do not like illegals. Folks who endured years of filling out paperwork, and shelling out large sums of money, do not like getting their hard work and sacrifice to be mocked! This is what this amnesty bill would have done: mocked their long, hard struggle to become Americans.


42 posted on 07/02/2007 6:05:57 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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Let the democrats have the 15% or whatever of the population that is Hispanic (of which less than 1 in 5 actually vote). We'll be happy to take all the Reagan democrats, middle class blacks, Asians etc. that were extremely PO'ed by this amnesty debacle.

In fact I hope the democrat nominee in 2008 makes amnesty the centerpiece of their campaign to win all those precious Hispanic votes...

46 posted on 07/02/2007 6:14:00 AM PDT by apillar
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A presidential candidate that had the guts to stand up and tell the American people that amensty bill is complete madness, wins in a landslide. Reagan Democrates, Moderates, Conservatives would vote for this person. This is an issue that could change the political landscape.


47 posted on 07/02/2007 6:15:19 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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