Posted on 06/27/2007 9:21:18 AM PDT by NHGOPer
The Honor of Ron Paul by Joe Sobran
"He may have become at last what he has always deserved to be: the most respected member of the U.S. Congress. He is also the only Republican candidate for president who is truly what all the others pretend to be, namely, a conservative. His career shows that a patriotic, pacific conservatism isn’t a paradox."
(Excerpt) Read more at buchanan.org ...
That, or it’s one nut who lacks a sense of humor, posting under multiple IDs.
Untrue. I've bitten you simply because I like to bite.
And they weren't really bites. More like nibbles...
Stay safe ;-),
L
"However, the answer to this problem lies not in cutting off immigration, but in cutting the services that immigrants consume. The right to immigrate does not imply a right to welfare -- or any other government service."
Not really. That particular libertarian argument doesn't really hold much water because illegal immigration to this country from Mexico and Central America began occurring in large numbers prior to the introduction of serious social welfare spending by the United States (LBJ's "Great Society" nonsense). Even today, while illegal immigrants do indeed take advantage of free social services such as emergency rooms, food stamps, etc., this does not necessarily argue that they come across the border because of those welfare benefits. They would still come across the border, even if they couldn't get welfare, because of the fact that they make so much more money working here than working in Mexico (that is, if you can even find a job down there). As such, the welfare argument is something of a red herring when we talk about illegal immigration, per se. We still see, as your quote above seems to explicitly suggest, that libertarians believe in some non-existent "right" to emigrate across borders, in contravention of the laws of the country to which they are emigrating.
>>> If I believe foreign aid to anyone is unconstitutional...I’m anti-semitic?
No, it’s those who point to support of Israel first and foremost without regard to all of the other international uses of our $. “Foreign aid” is a legitimate issue.... it is when the issue is instead presented as “foreign aid to Israel” that the motives are suspect. I happen to disagree with the “constitutionalist” (ie. Ron Paul) concept that military isolationism is required until war is declared. In a world of WMD’s (whether nuclear, chemical, or multiple warhead ballistic missiles) we can’t wait for a first attack or formal declaration of war to maintain our security. It would be great if foreign countries had our same interests and intelligence/military capacity, but most do not and they serve our interests with our aid.
As foreign aid goes, Israel is money generally well spent since they reflect our interests in the Mideast (that we cannot allow to be dominated by a totalitarian, fascist or communist entity), without requiring the physical presence we exhibit in Europe, the Far East and now the Persian Gulf, and generally Israel makes its military purchases from us.
How dare you call my joke stupid and un-original?!
Now, you’re smearing me!!
Love bites?
Aw, hell; the gallows-humor jokes we make in my neighborhood are not exactly comedic triumph and are definitely un-original.
But they make us laugh.
And it's therapeutic.
Laughter is good for the heart and soul. And in some cases, crucial to maintaining sanity.
Not this libertarian.
One has no more right to violate a national boundary than one does to violate the boundary of my front door.
L
They are the same group of halfwits who will routinely stop being amazed and mystified at the fact that the rubber band in their hands returns to its shape long enough to belch out "RON PAUL IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE." Since "conservatism" has been hijacked by this bunch of neural flops, it probably is correct to say that Ron Paul is NOT a conservative. It seems that neither am I, anymore.
On that we agree, then.
L
Funny... I saw the same video. Maybe next time you should pay closer attention to what is being said.
Which is exactly why I’ll be just a little sad after the very first round of primaries, when both this entire conversation topic and Paul’s candidacy are made moot by the fact Ron Paul gets .0001% of the vote (even less, if his family is busy holding a “non-aggressive rally against aggression” on primary day) and has to drop out. I’ll miss the humor of the “impending disaster” aspect of his answers at the debates. The whole idea of having to line my floor with pillows so I don’t hurt myself when I inevitably end up rolling around after he throws out some doozy... well, I’m gonna miss that.
You’ve noticed that huh?
Well no offense but look at one of the largest receivers. What? He should claim foreign aid is unconstitutional because Zimbabwe receives 2 mil (or whatever they get)? That would make it fair to you?
In a world of WMD’s (whether nuclear, chemical, or multiple warhead ballistic missiles) we can’t wait for a first attack or formal declaration of war to maintain our security.
Hell yes! Let's attack Russia and China tomorrow. After all they have the largest stocks after us and theoretically they could attack us one day....I'd suggest you go back and read what the Framers had to say on the issue. Pre-emptively attacking other nations doesn't even come close to falling under the concept of Just War Theory.
You remember Just War? Christian idea? Our nation supposedly? Aw hell let's just toss that one out with the bathwater too....
As foreign aid goes, Israel is money generally well spent since they reflect our interests in the Mideast (that we cannot allow to be dominated by a totalitarian, fascist or communist entity)
Why can't we? What is it our business how another nation runs its internal affairs? Oh that's right, it's not. And if you claim there is you have just pissed on every conservative ideal in the past 200 years. Conservatism is not defined by War. But warfare is the health of the State.
Damn Republicans have fallen far..
Last I checked, the constitution charged the executive branch with foreign diplomacy.
The executive branch is charged with foreign policy.
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