There is an apparent structure totally underwater near Yonaguni, Japan (called Iseki Point by the discoverer of the structures).
All of this was underwater for many thousands of years before the Noah stories.
Posted on 06/25/2007 5:55:14 PM PDT by Alien Syndrome
In the United States the old but bitter debate between evolution and creationism is heating up again.
Three of the Republican presidential candidates do not believe in evolution and a high-tech creation museum recently opened in Kentucky.
Much of the debate has been fuelled by a book claiming the Grand Canyon, one of America's most well-known landmarks, was carved by Noah's flood rather than erosion.
Every national park has at least one gift shop - usually more - selling t-shirts, snow domes, mugs, postcards and books.
At the Grand Canyon you will find books on the canyon's history, the canyon's animals and even the canyon's deaths.
One book, Grand Canyon: A Different View, contains the following excerpt:
"Grand Canyon is not just an icon of beauty. It is a solemn witness to the mighty power of God who is not only the omnipotent creator of all things but also the avenging defender of his own holiness."
It is amazing to think a humble river was able to carve such a mighty canyon. Of course, a geologist will tell you that reflects the power of time rather than the power of the river - the canyon is millions of years old.
But Grand Canyon: A Different View presents a different perspective.
The book is compiled by Tom Vail, who has been guiding rafting trips down the Colorado River for 25 years.
He says for the first 15 years he was an evolutionist.
"In 1994 I became a Christian and started looking at the canyon as my book says, from a different view, and I started exploring the creationist model of the formation of the canyon," he said.
"What I found was all those little questions I had as an evolutionist had answers, and pretty logical answers as I looked at it."
Mr Vail's book is not some cheap pamphlet. It is a full colour coffee-table book, featuring expensive paper, sophisticated layout, spectacular photos, scientific language and lots of quotes from the Old Testament.
Not surprisingly, it is generating debate.
The gulf between creationists and mainstream scientists is as wide as the canyon itself.
The American Geological Institute and other groups demanded the book be removed from the national park.
The debate only fuelled sales of the book and Tom Vail says there is plenty of evidence inside the canyon to back his belief.
"We see some very large folding in the canyon where sedimentary layers, which are laid down horizontally, have been curved or carved in big bends, some of them 300 feet tall, and this is done without cracking the rock. How do you do that with hard rock?" he said.
"I'm definitely going against the tide here, but when you look at the evidence, there are major flaws in the dating methods, for example.
Much to the horror of mainstream scientists, creationism seems to be making a comeback in the United States.
A multi-million dollar creation museum recently opened, at least three of the Republicans running for President do not believe in evolution and Tom Vail's rafting trips are welcoming customers from as far away as Australia.
Opinion polls suggest 43 per cent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years. Only 14 per cent believe humans evolved without divine involvement.
Can we expect to know when the apocalypse arrives when we see four guys come riding into town on different colored horses?
You were wrong about both the common and the scientific usage of the word revolve. Admit it before you dig your hole deeper. The word revolve can mean rotate, but in common usage, the earth revolves around the sun and rotates on its axis.
As I recall, you have a lot of trouble with idiomatic English. You write correctly, but seem unfamiliar with the most common usages.
Did I include enough commas?
An inability to properly utilize commas is almost always the sign of inappropriate weening.
There is an apparent structure totally underwater near Yonaguni, Japan (called Iseki Point by the discoverer of the structures).
All of this was underwater for many thousands of years before the Noah stories.
Give it up. You are simply wrong. I checked the definition of "revolve" against a dozen websites before posting a response to you. I've looked at more of them since.
You are not going to find any source to back up your position. The phrase "revolve around the sun" is the single most common example of usage for the word "revolve."
Einstein's view is that the Sun distorts space/time causing a deviation in the Earth's path.
That is, it only seems to orbit the Sun. In reality it is continuing on a straight line albeit on a curved path.
I do believe you’re being jerked around.
just like I said, you posted 3 didn't you.
I don't care who carved the Grand canyon, as long as he/they/whatever used erosion... or explosives. Explosives would be OK also.
Your words. Now it's a little early in the evening for the vodka so I really don't know what your problem is neither do I care. I wrote nothing about the Grand Canyon or erosion or anything to do with what you posted waaay back there. I propose we go our separate ways and agree to disagree about whatever.
I don't know what is funnier, a comment to you that you didn't get or this exchange. So, I went back and verified, yep you are absolutely correct you posted #3, and yes my post was intended for you. Somewhere I have an old Monty Python LP that has a skit about an argument clinic, Now would be a good time to go listen to it again. It is a real crack up.
And if it is my fault, for taking things so lightly on a serious thread (Creation vs. Evolution), I apologize.
No harm no foul. Go in peace. My statements were my beliefs that a nation which turns from God will fail. I still believe that. I enjoy humor as much as the next person but yours must be over my head.
Good choice of words.
No, whats even more undbelieveable is that you don’t want people to study things on their own, but to just “believe what they’re told” by the ‘expert’ be it teacher, scientist, me, YOU, whoever
As for evidence against evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/haeckel.html
http://www.theunjustmedia.com/darwinism%20refuted%20irreducible_complexity.htm
http://www.earthage.org/polystrate/Fossil%20Trees%20of%20Nova%20Scotia.htm
http://www.baptistlink.com/godandcountry/html/dead_moths.0
NOT that I Owe you Anything..
I Will NOT be insulted by you!
All I want to do is stand up for the right of students to study the evidence and decide for themselves, apparently that is too big for some individuals that don’t want people to use their minds...
Then you need to separate scientific evidence from religious belief. (See tagline.)
Ever wonder why they find fossils in Flint Rock? Bothers me.
I predict that no one's opinion will change, so save the bandwidth.
NEBRASKA MAN: A SINGLE PIG TOOTH
OTA BENGA: THE AFRICAN NATIVE PUT INTO A CAGE
Archaeoraptor
Evolution is NOT observable,
Evolution is NOT testable; and,
Evolution is NOT repeatable.
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