Romney: Attacks On Mormon Religion Troubling

CBS 4 MIAMI ^ | 23 JUNE 2007 | AP

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

(AP) SALT LAKE CITY -- Mitt Romney said Saturday that criticism of his Mormon religion by rival GOP presidential campaigns is happening too frequently.

“Clearly, any derogatory comments about anyone’s faith—those comments are troubling. The fact they keep on coming up is even more troubling,” Romney said during a fundraising trip in the home state of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The Mormon church is one of the fastest-growing religions and claims about 12.5 million members worldwide. But many evangelical Christians in crucial primary states such as Iowa and South Carolina consider the faith a cult.

Romney’s remarks follow an apology from GOP rival John McCain’s campaign for comments about the Mormon church allegedly made this year by a volunteer.

Also recently, Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, issued a similar apology for a campaign worker’s e-mail to Iowa Republican leaders that was an apparent attempt to draw unfavorable scrutiny of Romney’s religion. Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani apologized after the New York Sun noted that a campaign aide had forwarded to a blogger a story about unofficial Mormon lore. Legend has it that a Mormon would save the Constitution, the story said. The campaign aide passed the story along with a note: “Thought you’d find this interesting.”

Romney said in a large presidential race there always will be some volunteers or workers who cannot be controlled. But he said the difference between derogatory comments that originated from the McCain campaign and others is that the Arizona senator has not personally apologized to him.

“In the case of Senator Brownback and Mayor Giuliani ... they called immediately. They each spoke with me personally. I don’t have any issue with that at all,” Romney said.

He said McCain “can do whatever he feels is the right thing. There’s no need for me to suggest how people respond to things that go on in the campaign.”

Tucker Bounds, a McCain campaign spokesman, said the McCain campaign has already apologized.

“It’s a very sincere apology. There is absolutely no place for those type of comments in our campaign,” he said.

Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, said he had not spoken with McCain since the last presidential debate, on June 5.

Romney used a fundraiser hosted by Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller to criticize the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. It banned unregulated, unlimited contributions from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals to national political parties and federal candidates.

“The bill ought to be repealed,” he said. “It’s been the wrong course for American campaigns.”

Romney said he favors unlimited donations as long as they are immediately disclosed on the Internet.

Romney was attending fundraisers in Salt Lake City and in Logan on Saturday.

[Elsie]

So, then you are saying that all we must do is believe in God and we are saved.

No; that is what the BOOK says.

Can you not tell the difference between MY words and GODS??

[Elsie]

Ok, Enosh. Then tell me what belief of yours I need to subscribe to in order to be called a Christian.

 

Acts 11:19-26
 19.  Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews.
 20.  Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.
 21.  The Lord's hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord.
 22.  News of this reached the ears of the church at Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch.
 23.  When he arrived and saw the evidence of the grace of God, he was glad and encouraged them all to remain true to the Lord with all their hearts.
 24.  He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number of people were brought to the Lord.
 25.  Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul,
 26.  and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

(You might ask these folks.)

[Elsie]

I just don’t understand why the concept of the “Trinity” is essential to their salvation ...

This is easy - it's NOT!!!

[Elsie]

The Lord Jesus Christ calls it His Church.

HE does?!?!?

[Elsie]

Circular logic: how telling.

[Elsie]

I may know all mysteries as I am worthy and prepared for them.

And Wayne's World is NOT ready for prime time!

[Elsie]

Ouch, that must have hurt, Elsie.

Oh?

Why??

-- King James 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

 

 

-- New International 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 

Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

 

You, OTOH, are giving a FULL tithe to the LDS organization; aren't you?
 

[Elsie]

Wrong. Try again.

Huh?

[Enosh]

"Enosh will tell you they are, in his word, “BBQ.” Nice description for the billions of people who have lived and died in “heathen nations” without having ever heard the name of Christ, accepting him as their Savior, and being baptized."

Incorrectly representing my views without so much as a by your leave ping? I wouldn't have expected something sneaky like that from you, CUH. (/s)

"without having ever heard the name of Christ"

The folks who "never had a shot", as it were, get judged by their deeds. We who have heard the Gospel get judged up or down. No excuses.

You Mormons are in the "down" group. BBQ.

[Elsie]

However, Mormons still are Christian, no one can tell me otherwise.

How do you feel about Jehovah's Witness'?

Are THEY 'christian'?

[Enosh]

"I'm still saved in your opinion, right?"

"Is it possible to fall from grace once saved?"

That's a big debate, one which is in part responsible for myriad of denominations.

[Elsie]

The rebellious will always find a way to justify their lack of commitment to do the Lord will!

And the unassured will find reasons for DOING more than what the Lord requires.

[Elsie]

The truth be known, prior to 1980 you almost never heard that Jesus was God.

WHAT!?

[Elsie]

By insisiting that Jesus is God, I believe meaning is actually taken away from what really happened.

Jehovah Witness alert!

[Elsie]

What!?

Do you take me for some kind of spool!???

[Elsie]

As I have read all the anti-Mormon posters' screeds against our faith and us, It has reminded me of a funny commercial...

And as I read LDS members replies in this thread; I am reminded of this:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/

  18 My object in going to ^ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all ^awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those ^bprofessors were all ^ccorrupt; that: “they ^ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ^ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the ^fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the ^gpower thereof.”

  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself ^alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, ^bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 

(But, I'm SURE that JS did NOT mean anything personal here.)

 

 

 

 

 

 they were all ^awrong;

 

"How Firm a Foundation"

[Greg F]

The common Christian view of the 12 thrones, in Matt 19:28, I believe, is that the apostles and saints will be rulers of some type in heaven. In this case "judging" is a term like Judges in ancient Israel.

John 5:22-23 'For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father."

You place judgment and salvation in the hands of a man. That is bad enough. But couldn't you have picked George Washington or someone halfway decent rather than Joseph Smith? I'm being tongue in cheek since the blasphemy is the same either way. But in all seriousness, the lies, womanizing and pride in the history of Smith should be a big red flag to you spiritually . . . "danger, stay away, false, beware."

[colorcountry]

I wondered what kind of Christian would assert that in wasn’t until recently that Jesus was believed to be God.

I don’t know much about Jehovah Witnesses. Are you one rodeo-mamma

[Greg F]

King James 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

My church mentions this verse in every new members class. Wonder if the Mormon's have ever even seen it.

[Elsie]

We are kept by our faith; we are kept by our works. 

 

1 Corinthians 1:7-8
 7.  Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.
 8.  He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Hebrews 7:25
   Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

 

Jude 1:24-25
 24.  To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--
 25.  to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.