Posted on 06/23/2007 11:07:39 AM PDT by Bokababe
Received this morning from Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Israel Director Efraim Zuroff (bold emphasis added): “Wiesenthal Center Expresses Outrage At Massive Outburst of Nostalgia for Croatian Fascism at Zagreb Rock Concert”:
Jerusalem – The Simon Wiesenthal Center today expressed its sense of outrage and disgust in the wake of a massive show of fascist salutes, symbols and uniforms at a rock concert by popular ultra-nationalist Croatian singer “Thompson” attended by 60,000 people in Zagreb last night. In a letter sent today to Croatian President Stjepan Mesic, the Center’s chief Nazi-hunter Israel director Dr. Efraim Zuroff noted the presence of Croatian dignities, including the Minister of Science, Education and Sports, at the event and called for the banning of concerts by singers like Thompson who glorify fascism and racism. According to Zuroff:
“According to the Croatian media, the concert turned into a massive fascist demonstration with tens of thousands of people shouting the infamous Ustasha salute of “Za dom spremni.” In addition,… numerous participants came wearing Ustasha uniforms and symbols. To make matters worse, in attendance last night were officials and members of Parliament, as well as the Minister of Science, Education [!!] and Sports.
“Under the current circumstances, I believe that the time has come to prohibit public concerts by those who write songs of nostalgia for Jasenovac and inspire the show of Ustasha symbols, which constitute open and blatant incitement against all the minorities in Croatia.”
(Excerpt) Read more at juliagorin.com ...
The typo changes nothing, you were babbling after being cornered.
Check and mate.
That only works with folks with intellectual honesty and character. The man whose screen name celebrates Orthodox Christianity's arrival in Kievan Rus' has not only failed to demonstrate either of those, he has repeatedly shown the lack of either.
Demographic Losses of Serbia Caused by Wars in XX Century
Yes, I am serious. He is that dim. This is the sort of person we are dealing with here.
You wrote:
“The typo changes nothing, you were babbling after being cornered.”
I’ve never been cornered, and I have no ability to babble.
“Check and mate.”
Sorry, but you haven’t even made a move yet.
You wrote:
“Why not? What are you trying to say? That you are unsurprised by “Jewish ingratitude”?”
I said exactly what I meant: I am not surprised that Israeli Jews have snubed a man who saved many Jews. This has happened before and will continue to happen.
“Do you know about the lawsuit against the Vatican Bank filed by the victims (and their families) of the WWII genocide of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in the Independent State of Croatia?”
Yes, I have read about such lawsuits. I don’t expect it to go anywhere. I also know that no lawsuit about money or genocide has in any way implicated Cardinal Stepinac in any criminal or sinful behavior.
I know, I didn't need to.
But thank you for the game, anyway.
When the ‘90s Balkans wars were raging, I read about 21 books on it. There is no clear cut answer and I’ve seen arguements over all of this, often between the Serbs and Croats themselves and I feel it is better to just stay clear of such arguments; however clearly the initial story concerning this concert demonstrates this event is shameful and repugnant and it should be covered in the Mainstream Media.
One thing that is interesting, is that when one is speaking of soccer games, the two sides of fans Croats and Serbs have been accused of much the same thing.
I also know that incidences, not necessarily racist but of fan misconduct have occurred in basketball games too (some where on one of those video sites they have such film footage).
Back to the story, thank goodness The Jerusalem Post does have a story on it and other victims of the Axis powers should follow suit.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813065577&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
(excerpt)
“Thousands of people attending the rock concert by the singer “Thompson” shouted the infamous Ustasha regime’s salute of “Za dom spremni,” while numerous participants came wearing Ustasha uniforms and symbols, the center said in a press release.”
You know, the Sieg Heil in the photo in this instance is probably worst; but it does remind me of something else I’ve never liked either, is when at some Metal Bands concerts I guess, they do their hand and I suppose that is like a symbol of the Devil; you know the one that also looks like “Hook ‘em Horns”; I’m not up on all of this symbolism.
Adding on to my initial comment;
The images here are even a bit more frightening, because in the Balkan Wars, some Croat Para-Militaries or whatever, did in fact, dress up in some of that Ustasha gear. Wearing Nazi helmets and such.
But to be fair; there is a 1970s book called “Slaughterhouse” that details for the most part was would be called post war retaliations.
It really is too complex of a subject.
You wrote:
“I know, I didn’t need to. But thank you for the game, anyway.”
You didn’t even show up to play. I’ve been the one posting evidence about what we were talking about. You?
You are apologizing for people who were backed by a regime that intentionally set out to commit mass murder and commited murder on a massive scale themselves, you should be embarrassed.
What evidence? Are you admitting to being a holocaust denier?
The young are easily mislead since they are not taught to think critically.
Example of sickness: criticizing is bad.
nose rings are good.
Reminds me of those that are following the myth of Che Guevarra. The commies (International ANSWER) are selling him big time here in Los Angeles. I’ve seen t-shirts, flags, and windo decals. I’ve asked someone sporting Che to explain him and was told, “He’s everything to me.” and “He was a freedom fighter.”
Have someone read you the responses posted by the Christians who OPPOSE genocide (HINT: none are Croatian Catholics). I know it will be a new experience for you.
Yeah, VLADIMIR, you’re an American... WTF?
You wrote:
“You are apologizing for people who were backed by a regime that intentionally set out to commit mass murder and commited murder on a massive scale themselves, you should be embarrassed.”
I have nothing whatsoever to be embarrassed about. I am also not defending the guilty. You can pretend I am all you want, but it just isn’t true.
You wrote:
“What evidence?”
The evidence of Stepinac’s heroic defense of Jews and Serbs.
“Are you admitting to being a holocaust denier?”
I can’t admit to being something I’m not. I have never once in my life denied the Holocaust against Jews by Nazis, nor any of the other genocides committed by others in WWII or by communists elseshere, etc. That includes the obvious genocide of Serbs by some Croats in the Second World War.
It is interesting to me that you, who seem to have no argument at all, are now pretending I am a Holocaust denier. I have NEVER denied the Holocaust.
You wrote:
“Have someone read you the responses posted by the Christians who OPPOSE genocide (HINT: none are Croatian Catholics). I know it will be a new experience for you.”
I oppose genocide. Plenty of Croatians also oppose genocide. The idea that ALL Croatians are in favor of genocide is clearly a racist idea in itself.
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