Posted on 06/21/2007 7:32:23 PM PDT by captjanaway
I probably know more about Fred Thompson than any other candidate, which is why I worked with my reader base to help draft Fred into the ‘08 Presidential race. But that doesn’t mean that an honest concerned American doesn’t need to ask the right questions before climbing fully onboard any political train today.
If Jesus Christ himself were running today, we’d have to ask the same questions in light of today’s deception and corruption filled arena of national politics, especially if Jesus is now a member of CFR. So, though I’m thrilled that Fred Thompson has answered the people’s call to run, I’m still waiting to see which Fred is going to run.
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Defend it????
No wonder you don’t bother doing your homework. Your reading comprehention skills are off the charts....on the low side.
Read my post 154...
Why is Romney raising and spending more than any other candidate and still not resonating with the people?
Just curious?
Your saying he did not support CFR? The evidence is the VOTE he cast for it. Look it up.
Did not vote for what?
Why need I look it up? You have the vote, post it!
Do you know what CFR is?
What vote for CFR?
I should have just used the formal term "her majesty's loyal opposition", instead of the more every day use. I feel like I'm speaking greek and your speaking german.
Until then, don’t bother trying to talk about something you clearly know nothing about.
I'm going to spoon feed this now, so it can be as simple as possible.
Try this from Wikipedia, they say it better then I do, and you probably believe in more conspiracy theories then me.
The Shadow Cabinet (also called the Shadow Front Bench) is a senior group of opposition spokespeople in the Westminster system of government who together under the leadership of the Leader of the Opposition (or the leader of other smaller opposition parties) form an alternative cabinet to the government's, whose members shadow or mark each individual member of the government. Members of a shadow cabinet are often but not always appointed to a Cabinet post if and when their party gets into government. It is the Shadow Cabinet's responsibility to pass criticism on the current government and its respective legislation, as well as offering alternative policies.
In the United Kingdom and Canada the major opposition party and specifically its shadow cabinet is often called Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. The adjective "loyal" is used because, while the role of the opposition is to oppose Her Majesty's Government, it does not dispute Her Majesty's right to the throne and therefore the legitimacy of the government. However in other countries that use the Westminster system (eg. Australia and New Zealand), the opposition is known simply as The Parliamentary Opposition.
Some parliamentary parties, notably the British Labour Party and the Australian Labor Party, elect all the members of their shadow cabinets in a partyroom ballot, with the Leader of the Opposition then allocating portfolios to the Shadow Ministers. In other parliamentary parties, the membership and composition of the Shadow Cabinet is generally determined solely by the Leader of the Opposition.
Here is a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet
Now I know this is hard to grasp, since your kind of stuck on every single conspiracy theory group of secret puppet governments, and I am not discounting that, we are arguing definations, and their uses, in different forms of government. Kind of like how the brits call a flashlight a torch, and we call a flashlight a flashlight.
I know what I am talking about, you just can't grasp the idea, that there can be more then one meaning of a phrase, and that in different countries, it has different meanings, not the entire world speaks american english or uses our phrases the same way.
There, I hope you can finally understand what I am talking about now.
The only talk I want to hear, is an explanation of the voting record.
That explains everything...
You study Wikipedia reality, written by passers by, often with no knowledge of a subject at all and left posted until some other passer by stubles in to fix the misinformation.
We are wasting each others time here. Every word I stated is true and easily verified.
I can’t say it any plainer or s-l-o-w-e-r for you.
The people on this and many other threads who refer to CFR as a “shadow government” pulling strings in the offocial government have it exactly correct.
An elected opposition is NOT a “shadow government”. They are an officially elected opposition to an official ruling majority. There is nothing “shadow” or stealthy about it in this case. It’s all quite right and quite in the open.
Sorry you are so committed to disinformation. Study the organizations in question and their activities.
That’s the best I can suggest to you.
Which votes?
Post the votes Sonny or admit you have no idea what you are talking about...
I'm sure you can, just not using a dictionary or any referance.
I can’t say it any plainer or s-l-o-w-e-r for you.
Of course not, you married a phrase to something you like, and are now choosing based on faith what to believe, darn those facts.
The people on this and many other threads who refer to CFR as a “shadow government” pulling strings in the offocial government have it exactly correct.
For the last time, I have no doubt about what they mean, again, more then one defination, because more then one country uses the phrase in a different way.
An elected opposition is NOT a “shadow government”. They are an officially elected opposition to an official ruling majority. There is nothing “shadow” or stealthy about it in this case. It’s all quite right and quite in the open.
In this country no, in any country that uses a parlimentary system, yes, I am going to guess you have never ever left this country, or been someone else. Even in Canada, they refer to the opposition government as shadow governments. They do in most of the free world, here is another shocker, in the UK, they do not even have a president, yep, its true, they have a prime minister, different systems, different terms, different meanings, for different countries.
Sorry you are so committed to disinformation. Study the organizations in question and their activities.
I'm truly saddened that the educational system has so let you down, and am disappointed that you have been unable to grasp such simple child like concepts or basic differences in terms.
That’s the best I can suggest to you.
And I offer you one suggestion, please write a letter to England, Canada, Austrialia, and every other country that uses the westminster system, and give them your defination of shadow government, and complain and demand they change the names they use, then write to the nice people who create dictionaries, and demand they do the same.
The greatest disinformation of all....is ignorance spread by the inability to grasp foreign concepts.
Still waiting..... for you to post Thompson’s “CFR VOTE” record????
Meanwhile, allow me to point out...
Thompson has publicly denounced his decision to accept membership in CFR several times in the past. But I’m not so sure it was a mistake...
CFR has enormous influence in Washington and in many parts of the world. Why would it be in our best interest to have no conservative influence inside of CFR?
See post #39.
Post the votes Sonny or admit you have no idea what you are talking about..
See post #39, on free trade issues, I have questions about some of them.
Rule of thumb, if someone is asking questions, its means they do not know, I'm asking questions about Hunter on free trade because I didn't know until that post what some of his votes were and his record was.
If you have more information on Hunter and free trade, I for one, would be more then happy to be informed, I do not know enough about him on that topic, and have questions about his record on it.
Pretty simple.
What? When did you ask me that?
Thompson has publicly denounced his decision to accept membership in CFR several times in the past. But I’m not so sure it was a mistake...
When did he denounce his membership? He has denounced his vote on Campaign Finance Reform.
CFR has enormous influence in Washington and in many parts of the world. Why would it be in our best interest to have no conservative influence inside of CFR?
How is this? For clarity, no more writing CFR, just say "Councel for Foreign Relations" or "Campaign Finance Reform".
Half this board doesn't seem to know what the other half is saying because both of those terms have the same initials.
I’m referring to your post 163...
Um, that wasn't me.
You are really confused.
Look at it again, thats Azrael.
Different dude, not me.
Agreed...
And nobody is debating that the term “shadow government” has more than one meaning. I’m simply pointing out the use of the term in this thread... which is another appropriate use of the term when refering to the Council on Foriegn Relations.
Oops.... my bad...
Thank God, I haven't been following all the other threads here.
I just looked and noticed, people are using the initials CFR, for both things (council of foreign relations and campaign finance reform), and I see some freepers here not realize they are debating 2 totally seperate things, due to mass confusion this is becoming jibber jabberish.
Not to mention another CFR - The Senate Committee on Foreign Relations...
Back to work...
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