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Almost they persuadeth me (Southern Baptists and Government Schools)
TexanOnline The Southern Baptist Texan ^ | June 12, 2007 | Gary Ledbetter

Posted on 06/19/2007 1:28:04 PM PDT by achilles2000

...When I think of the Exodus story I can’t help but see Charlton Heston leading a cast of thousands out of a movie-set Egypt. One day there are millions of the Hebrew children in Egypt and a few days later, not one. The removal of Christian families from public schools will not be that way.

Think instead of an oppressed minority leaving a repressive political regime. A few get out early, others need a more urgent threat, others escape through some kind of underground rescue movement, dogs baying in the background. Some will stay too long. I’m convinced that we’ll leave, not as a denomination or as churches or even as a faith, but as refugees whose alarms go off according to different sensitivities. Eventually we’ll all leave public education or wish we had.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: baptists; christian; education; sbc; schools
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To: JenB

I have to tell you, my kids are in public school and very little socialization goes on at school. They see their friends in the neighborhood and at outside activities such as sports, dance etc. School used to be central to a kid’s life when I went-clubs, sports, dances etc. Now, it is a place where kids spend a few hours a day and then come home.

Most of them hate school-especially above the elementary level and want nothing to do with it after school. The graduation rate in Georgia is 56%. It’s getting bad in other states as well. I am moving so I will see what the new school is like. I am considering home schooling for my youngest daughter.


21 posted on 06/19/2007 1:57:35 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: georgiagirl_pam

Talon is my husband. I was amused that he and I posted very similar thoughts within two minutes of each other so I used a line both of us homeschool grads recognize as the stereotypical argument against homeschooling.

So yeah, imagine a big ;-D at the end of that post.


22 posted on 06/19/2007 1:58:08 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

Yah, we will also homeschool. Three generations of teachers in my wife’s family . . . and off to homeschooling we go. Every day, practically, we see a story confirming us in the decision.


23 posted on 06/19/2007 1:58:37 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: JenB

Gotcha! I thought that the story may be something like that.
Pam, homeschooling mom of 2!


24 posted on 06/19/2007 2:00:04 PM PDT by georgiagirl_pam
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To: nyconse

Ask yourself if it’s even possible for your daughter’s situation to be worse at home than at school. Even though I’m sure you’d motivate your daughter to be among the 56% that do graduate, that really isn’t saying much, is it? Personally I’d want my kid in a system that has 100% graduation rates, like homeschooling.


25 posted on 06/19/2007 2:05:33 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
But what about socialization?

Chuch/Church functions is one. Friends and their children is another. Christian Summer Camps is yet another good socializing tool.

26 posted on 06/19/2007 2:08:24 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: Oberon

Amen!


27 posted on 06/19/2007 2:11:20 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: TheBattman

Sorry, I should have been more clear that my post was a silly joke comment (to my husband). As a homeschool graduate I know alllll about socialization ;-)


28 posted on 06/19/2007 2:12:53 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

I am sorry for being so slow...it makes me sad to see kids going to school for years with each other - yet making no connection-crazy.


29 posted on 06/19/2007 2:33:54 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: edcoil
"Government grew to care only about its own self interests and allows the minority to control the majority."

No 'growing' needed.

That always has been and always will be the goal of government.

30 posted on 06/19/2007 2:50:41 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I received similar criticism when we began homeschooling our first child in 1988 for not “fight(ing) tooth and nail” against the public school leviathon. I always viewed the situation as one where my time with my kids was too short to spend it butting heads with the bureaucrats as they indoctrinated other’s children in the government schools. As we look back my wife and I have NO regrets whatsoever. My children are doing very well as adults, my wife and I have the sweetest memories and, best of all, my children intend to give our grandchildren what they call “the best education possible”: a home school education.

As for your efforts, I wish you the best, but carefully consider if that is what your children will remember the most about their time at home when they reflect on their childhood.


31 posted on 06/19/2007 3:03:01 PM PDT by ZChief
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I felt like that at one time - until I realized that I was using my children in the fight... and it was not fair to them to have them subject to indoctrination every day.

It is my husband’s and my responsibility as parents to ensure our children are safe from indoctrination. To do our best to raise them to be Christian young men. Of course THEY are the ones who will make that decision - but as Christian’s ourselves it is up to us to make sure they hear the Truth .. no matter the subject.


32 posted on 06/19/2007 3:40:48 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: achilles2000

The Catholics do it. They practically require it, and they make those who don’t feel like they’ve condemned their kids to purgatory...or to lesser football schools (the real kicker with mid-west Catholics. :>)

If they can do it and make it work and have the best schools in the nation, then so can the Southern Baptists.


33 posted on 06/19/2007 4:02:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: achilles2000
IF the institutions of public instruction have accomplished anything at all of note it is this: they have successfully retarded the onset of adult maturity by at least a decade.

Consider:
George Washington arrives for his first of two years of formal education at age 11, already reading and writing at a level beyond most of our AP High School graduates. He studies trigonometry, geography and surveying. At age 17 he lands a job as Chief Surveyor for the county making, in today's dollars, about $100K a year. By age 21, he owns 2,500 acres of prime Virginia real estate.

After a K-12 education, what have our 21-year olds accomplished?

David Farragut receives his commission as a midshipman aboard the U.S. warshi[p Essex at the ripe old age of TEN. Two years later, he is commissioned to captain a British 'prize' ship (an English vessel defeated on the high seas) back to port in the U.S. The British captain, irritated to be taking orders from "a boy" goes below deck to retrieve his pistols -- a symbol of his office which he had been allowed to keep as a matter of dignity. Farragut sends a messenger after him saying, "If you appear above deck armed, you will be summarily shot." By his mid-teens, Captain Farragut was navigating his own ship around the Mediterranean. He went on to become first to make the rank of Admiral in the United States Navy.

The new rage among twelve-year olds, now, is competitively speed-stacking plastic cups. And I've actually had someone begin to argue that this isn't so bad because it involves dexterity and skill.

Please...!

For further reference, explore the links on my Profile page below the heading "ON PUBLIC INSTRUCTION".

34 posted on 06/19/2007 4:05:38 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: GourmetDan

True but from 1776 to 1920 is was small. mainly due to the supreme court up until 1898 when it ruled income taxes un-Constitutional. Then in the 1900’s the greatest generation pass amendments allowing government to tax income - then cam WWI, WWI, Korea, Vietnam, democrat’s in the 60’s passing laws and starting the huge growth, the Middle East.

Basically just a total failure of the greatest generation destroying a country for future generations.


35 posted on 06/19/2007 4:47:04 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: JenB

Socialization these days is to drugs, materialism, pornography, premature sexuality, violence, etc. You can’t exactly cheer these days when your child fits right in!


36 posted on 06/19/2007 5:14:38 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Xenalyte

Singular:

Ic persuade
Thou persuadeth
He persuadest

Plural

We persuadath
Eow persuadath
Hie persuadath

In the West Saxon dialects, anyway....


37 posted on 06/19/2007 5:21:19 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: TChris

If enough people left they would have to fix them or close them. Vote with your feet.


38 posted on 06/19/2007 5:57:08 PM PDT by therut
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To: xzins

Yes - the Catholics had it right from the beginning. Baptists, however, are very stubborn ;-)


39 posted on 06/19/2007 6:15:23 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: HKMk23

I know...the examples you mention can be found in Gatto’s Underground History. Speaking of plastic cups, I just read someone’s book defending, among other things, children playing the video game Grand Theft Auto as a “learning” activity. Well - it is a learning experience of a sort ;-)


40 posted on 06/19/2007 6:18:54 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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