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To: kristinn

Hi, Nicholas. We will be able to have a reasonable discussion only AFTER you close the borders, build a wall, make Mexico pay for the criminals they have sent us, make Mexico pay for medical care for their citizens, and send employers to jail who have violated the law.

Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand.


10 posted on 06/14/2007 11:20:31 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Nicholas

WHERE’S THE FENCE?


17 posted on 06/14/2007 11:21:52 AM PDT by TaxxMann (Can't put a dollar sign on citizenship - oh wait, they just did !)
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To: doug from upland

One other thing: They need to put on a hair-shirt and publicly apologize for demonizing anybody who questions this bill as nativist, racist, unpatriotic bigots who would have opposed civil rights for blacks.


29 posted on 06/14/2007 11:23:41 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: doug from upland
Don't hide your Feelings, Doug............
33 posted on 06/14/2007 11:24:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: doug from upland

Bush I: Read my lips, no new taxes
Bush II: Read my lips, this is not amnesty

Like father, like son.

44 posted on 06/14/2007 11:25:30 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: doug from upland
Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand.

LOL!

I like it. Precise, yet tactful.

-Bruce

65 posted on 06/14/2007 11:28:41 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Build the fence. Enforce the law.)
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To: doug from upland
"Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand."

BRAVO! I appreciate your eloquence. LOL!

266 posted on 06/14/2007 12:15:38 PM PDT by dvan
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To: doug from upland
"Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand."

Exactly. Don't come telling us how much enforcement we'll get in the future until you have some credibility on this issue.

Which will be after the entire 700 mile fence is completely built, for starters.

332 posted on 06/14/2007 12:38:52 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: doug from upland; nthompsonwhitehouse
"Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand."

DFU: You da man.

EXECUTIVE BRANCH: ENFORCE THE LAW!

Until you've done that for 4+ years, STFU!

636 posted on 06/14/2007 3:04:07 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him. - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: doug from upland

BTTT


726 posted on 06/14/2007 3:53:14 PM PDT by StarCMC (Desperately seeking a new tagline. Say something pithy and I'll steal it. :-))
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To: doug from upland

......’build a wall, make Mexico pay for the criminals they have sent us, make Mexico pay for medical care for their citizens, and send employers to jail who have violated the law.’

You got the idea douglas and its a great one as per usual.

HERE’S HOW WE GET OUR MONEY BACK

On 2/10/06.....the boys at NEWSMAX.COM POSTED A PIECE ENTITILED
‘Can Mexican Oil Save U.S.?’

THE JIST IS:

...’ The Chronicle explains that political leaders in that country (MEXICO) may finally be willing to allow increased drilling in oil-rich Mexico.

“In Mexico, where industries from steel to ceramics to fertilizer have been hard-hit by high natural gas prices, there may finally be the political will to open the country to outsiders who want to explore for more oil and natural gas, according to Fernando Canales Clariond, Mexico’s energy secretary,” reports The Chronicle.

“Most of the countries in the world have done it,” Clariond said. “We may be the only country in the world that has stayed a monopoly.”

American energy companies would partner with Mexico’s state-owned energy company, Petróleos Mexicanos (Pemex), to drill for oil and gas.

In recent years, Pemex has been hampered in that regard as it struggles to find funds for more drilling after paying 60% of its revenues in taxes to the state.

It will take a change in culture to get the ball rolling, however.

SO THERE YA HAVE IT WE GO IN, EXPLORE, DRILL AND

TAKE ALL THE OIL WE NEED

TO RECOVER ALL THE MONEY WE FORKED OVER IN LO THESE MANY YEARS OF KIND GENEROSTY...TO OUR GUESTS.

AND THERE AS DON CORLEONE SAID ‘ THERE WILL THE PEACE...’

CASE CLOSED. END OF PARAGRAPH END OF STORY.

OH ONE MORE THING..... OF COURSE THE BORDERS STAY CLOSED TILL THE WALL IS COMPLETED AND WE HAVE HIRED ALL THE ENFORCENET FOLKS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EXISTING IMMEGRATION LAWS ARE ABIDED BY.

AND....... THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.


1,050 posted on 06/14/2007 8:15:48 PM PDT by flat
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To: doug from upland

AMEN!!! Also Bush MUST PARDON RAMOS. COMPEAN, Hernandez and now Aleman!!! And Sutton and Cardone should be forced to pay restitution!!!


1,486 posted on 06/15/2007 9:08:50 AM PDT by righteousindignation
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To: doug from upland

Reading all posts with interest.


1,494 posted on 06/15/2007 9:44:07 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: doug from upland

Well said Doug.

You forgot education (include extra costs for bilingual teachers/classes/ESL/Sp.Ed), Automatic welfare, WIC upon having citizen child (as in ‘how will these poor folk pay a fine’, the same way we pay for each yearly delivery in our hospitals... that’s more than the fine, btw), prisons, the closing of hospitals, costs of second language re: documents. The re-emergence of previously eradicated diseases (I mean, who’s checking?, btw, nice job to those who tried to clean up the CDC, WHO and now defunct Border Health Office... I have the cache). (((Takes a breath)))

The fact that Arabic parents in NYC are starting suits in our schools to get language paras... then sep. classes, (they will not be able to find the translators, next a hearing against the BOEd, hence sep. classes... need I tell you what’s next? They have been shown the way... and weaknesses in the system. Side Note... I work with them, you don’t want to know.

Infinitesimal Important Side Note: I also like the total disregard of the terror issue... as well as the stepped up ease of entry passport legislation between Canada, Mexico and the US (Can you say Adnan/McMasters, shutting down schools in Canada? very militant)... as well as the continued push for Mexican trucks crossing our borders (fit more folks and drugs I guess... or a few goodies from the Central or South courtesy Hizballah). But what the hell, if the US can forget about 9-11 and other terror issues and how some of them were here illegal (many still are), it’s perfectly understandable how Mexico wouldn’t give a damn about it’s neighbor or fixing their corrupt gov’t... What a neighbor, you would think they would really look out such they get so much via nanny and GDP there, once the sugar daddy’s gone... game over. Oh... and someone in the WH should check the growth of Islam there.

But nothing to see in that paragraph... move along... baa.

Back to costs:

Case in point. That mayor in Hazelton paid $7,000 for ESL (English as a second language) in 2000, last year it was 870,000; He ran out of OT money for the cops way ahead of year end re: crime, the huge amount of Medicaid reimbursement via fed gov’t is not making a blip on costs for hospital and emergency services.

Never mind the Germans, Polish, Italian, Russian immigrants, the parents insisted on assimilation, especially speaking the language. I know... they’ll say, “But there’s so many of them”; Exactly... and why is that?

The final lament/paragraph (Thank the Lord):

Nevermind the last amnesties... what we were told and what actually happened (or I should say didn’t happen). Don’t you see? This time it will be different Doug; Never mind the extra cost and wait of legal immigrant who do it the right way... we need to make these poor folks legal so employers can pay them a fair wage (my bad, so employers ax them and find illegals to work cheaper). Nevermind the examples of Europe... don’t you want to be like France and pay 60% in taxes? If France can see it and we can’t... with the whole globe and history, this country goes the way of Rome. Sad thing is... you couldn’t think of another country to move to... this is it (for you folks that thought Switzerland or Norway... no dice, read up on what’s going on there).


1,608 posted on 06/16/2007 8:51:19 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it.)
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To: doug from upland
Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand.

We disposed of Clinton and get a war, a illegal alien invasion, 4th amendment almost expunged, and the supreme court has destroyed personnel property right with expanded eminent domain laws for private business.

This has been a disastrous 6 years for the constitution and a great 6 years for the Mexican - American oligarchy.

Oops, put away those Mexican flags.

We love America, but not Americans.

I'm living in an freak in American political nightmare.

1,666 posted on 06/17/2007 1:07:57 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker (Global Warming is a cover story for Peak Oil.)
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