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Illegal Immigrants Steal Social Securities Of Elderly, Dead
Judicial Watch ^ | 13 JUNE 2007 | Tom Fitton

Posted on 06/13/2007 1:34:56 PM PDT by radar101

The favorable portrait of honest and hard-working illegal immigrants who simply want to feed their families was shattered when federal agents arrested dozens of undocumented workers using dead and elderly Americans’ Social Security numbers along with previously deported criminals at an Oregon food processing plant.

More than 165 undocumented workers were arrested in the raid at a major Portland fruit and vegetable processing plant for food giant Del Monte. At least 90 employees had fraudulent Social Security cards and many used the real Social Securities of juveniles, the elderly and the deceased. Others had fake green, or residency, cards and at least three are convicted felons who had been previously deported.

The previously deported criminal illegal immigrants had been convicted in U.S. courts with crimes ranging from possession of heroin to identity theft and possession of counterfeit alien registration documents.

Immigration authorities launched an investigation into the plant a few months ago when a check of employee records pointed that only 48 of the nearly 600 plant workers had valid Social Security numbers. Because the plant staff varies according to seasonal employment changes, only 165 illegal aliens were arrested in this week’s raid.

Portland Mayor Tom Potter was outraged by the immigration raid, saying that it is bad policy for federal officials to go after local workers who are in his city to support their families while filling the demands of local businesses. He immediately issued a written statement expressing his anger and referring to the illegal immigrants as “Portland residents.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; crimaliens; identitytheft; idtheft; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; noamnestyforillegals; taxfraud; vampirebill
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To: RegulatorCountry
"You approve of corruption, you are corrupt."

I don't approve of it but I am willing to separate the facts from the fear mongering.
101 posted on 06/13/2007 3:15:55 PM PDT by ndt
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To: restornu

Both!


102 posted on 06/13/2007 3:17:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: texaslil
"The people I compete against pay UNDER the table and I don’t mind telling you it’s getting almost impossible to compete."

Well those clearly are not the ones talked about in the article. They were using stolen SS#s which would only be necessary to the employer was withholding taxes.
103 posted on 06/13/2007 3:17:35 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt
I don't approve of it

You certainly don't seem perturbed in the least, either. It all boils down to values. I value my country over profit. You value profit over your country.

104 posted on 06/13/2007 3:18:26 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ndt

Another thread has the story of Utah starting to have to notify 20K citizens that their SS # may have been stolen, and that their credit rating may have been damaged. Just stealing the identities that fellow citizens don’t want to steal.


105 posted on 06/13/2007 3:18:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: ndt
If you replace every single illegal alien with an unemployed person, you still end up with millions of jobs unfilled.

Then you bring in LEGAL aliens to fill those positions. You give them temporary visas renewable only if the job they take cannot be filled by an American citizen or legal permanent resident. Once they arrive, they can get in line to seek permanent status.

106 posted on 06/13/2007 3:20:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: VOA

Exactly, and if the requirement is 10 to investigate, they will claim 9. I’m not just saying illegals, I’m saying any dishonest person.

I know lots of states require copies of the W-4 if a certain amount of exemptions is taken (varies by state) but what they do with the information is questionable.


107 posted on 06/13/2007 3:21:35 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ontap
"That’s simply not true"

Which part?

"guest worker should not be able to take advantage of our social systems ..."

I see no reason that a guest worker should not have to agree to pay into the system (SS taxes etc) for the duration of their stay as part of the deal.
108 posted on 06/13/2007 3:21:35 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

While I agree the headline is misleading, like many we see applied by various editors on the left and right, cases of actual entitlement, disability and credit card fraud have occurred based on theft of social security information from unsuspecting legal citizens or residents in country.


109 posted on 06/13/2007 3:21:45 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: texaslil

I feel for you. I now just prepare land for constructors,as I will not hire illegals. The govt. is screwing people like you who have been in business for many years!!


110 posted on 06/13/2007 3:23:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"You certainly don't seem perturbed in the least, either."

Should I rant, rave and spread disinformation like others? Would that make me a good American in your eyes?
111 posted on 06/13/2007 3:23:22 PM PDT by ndt
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To: gpapa
"cases of actual entitlement, disability and credit card fraud have occurred based on theft of social security information from unsuspecting legal citizens or residents in country."

Yes, there have been cases, too many cases. The solution however is not to put a band-aid on the symptom (illegals) but to fill the available jobs with legitimate documented workers with their own taxpayer Ids.
112 posted on 06/13/2007 3:26:56 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

Headlines, very often, are little more then poorly constructed sentence fragments used to get the reader’s attention.

In this case it says “stealing social securities of elderly, dead” which seems pretty accurate as far as headlines go. It just leaves out little kids. Probably because they can’t vote. Yet.


113 posted on 06/13/2007 3:27:10 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (The World is Not Enough)
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To: ndt

“Well, those are clearly not the ones talked about in the article.”

It’s nice you can compartmentalize things like that, but I beg to differ with you. SSN or no SSN we’re talking about illegals ability to work in this country-—one way or another. Or to put it another way—by hook or crook.


114 posted on 06/13/2007 3:30:44 PM PDT by texaslil (and)
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To: Duke Nukum
"n this case it says “stealing social securities of elderly, dead” which seems pretty accurate as far as headlines go."

It's not accurate at all. No "social securities" were stolen. Social security numbers were stolen not the accounts themselves.

If someone steals your bank account number and deposits cash in it, it's still fraud, but not a theft of your account.
115 posted on 06/13/2007 3:31:53 PM PDT by ndt
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To: texaslil
"It’s nice you can compartmentalize things like that"

It is the facts of the case in question which do not match those of the case you described. They are not only not the same situation, they differ in the very detail under discussion, that being payment or not of SS taxes.
116 posted on 06/13/2007 3:34:58 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Sister_T
I did a half-hour nighttime interview on a Portland radio station, Tuesday night. I suggested to the host that there were three solutions to the Mayor's actions. First, he could be prosecuted for violating federal law by aiding illegal activity. Not very likely.

Second, the citizens of Portland could use the recall provisions to throw the Mayor out of office.

Third, everyone does nothing until a sufficient number of Portland citizens have been murdered by illegal aliens committing additional crimes, or killed on the streets by illegals driving drunk. Then, the citizens will remove the Mayor with pitchforks and torches.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Feudin' Banjos 'n Writin' Laws"

117 posted on 06/13/2007 3:38:22 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: ndt

You do realize that the written word is a lie, do you not? Whatever the case, illegal invaders from any country are a menace.

And stealing a SS number is akin to stealing someone’s identity so you seem to be quibbling over quibbles.


118 posted on 06/13/2007 3:39:12 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (The World is Not Enough)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“the government is screwing people like you.”

You have that right, but the worst part is having the chump syndrome set in. I don’t have time to go to jail, but my copetitors don’t seem to worry. Guess I now know they’re part of the cabal.


119 posted on 06/13/2007 3:39:36 PM PDT by texaslil (and)
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To: ndt

This part!

I commend you for the first honest attempt to find a solution on the thread yet.

Making them contribute to SS and there by being able to draw from it fixes nothing it simply adds to a problem already out of hand.


120 posted on 06/13/2007 3:40:29 PM PDT by ontap
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