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1 posted on 06/12/2007 4:23:31 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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“One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government,” Wittes said. “This is something we don’t really believe as a society anymore.”

“We”? Is that a mouse in your pocket or do you just enjoy attacking the Bill of Rights?


68 posted on 06/12/2007 6:17:44 AM PDT by tumblindice (Let it go George)
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

From Federalist #28 (Hamilton)

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
I'll go with Hamilton.

ML/NJ

69 posted on 06/12/2007 6:20:39 AM PDT by ml/nj
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What this idiot author doesn't know is the ramifications of creating thousands of Henry Bowmans by repealing laws based on emotion rather than Constitutional precident.
70 posted on 06/12/2007 6:22:57 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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We can only pray this moron will try this. I hate to tell him this ,but the demorats have lost their enthusiasm for gun control after the drumming they took when slick got the Brady bill passed.


71 posted on 06/12/2007 6:23:41 AM PDT by ontap
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The Second Amendment is one of the clearest statements of right in the Constitution," Benjamin Wittes, a guest scholar at the center-left Brookings Institution, acknowledged in a discussion Monday. "We've had decades of sort of intellectual gymnastics to try to make those words not mean what they say."

Gotta give the grabber credit... at least he's intellectually honest.

74 posted on 06/12/2007 6:32:04 AM PDT by Teacher317
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Oh my...it is bad juju when a government repeals its guarantee of a God-given right.

Then it is time to refresh the Liberty Tree.

77 posted on 06/12/2007 6:50:12 AM PDT by xrp (Republicans Message: Vote for us, we suck less than Democrats.)
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Wittes said the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms meant more when it was crafted more than 200 years ago than it does today.

Nope. It means exactly the same today as 200 years ago.

79 posted on 06/12/2007 7:03:29 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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“this is something we don’t believe as a society anymore.”

just who in he&& is he speaking for?

is there no end to these arrogant, left wing edicts?

he must be practising for when he becomes a commissar in hillary!’s government.


80 posted on 06/12/2007 7:11:21 AM PDT by ripley
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And now the left openly calls for tyranny. Their spots revealed at last...


81 posted on 06/12/2007 7:16:22 AM PDT by DesScorp
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This guy should be put on display in a museum. He’s the world’s rarest object: An intellectually honest leftist.


82 posted on 06/12/2007 7:17:31 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("My wife's credit cards were stolen. I didn't report the theft. Whoever had them was spending less.")
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Just who is this "we" - got a mouse in your pocket?

83 posted on 06/12/2007 7:18:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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Never underestimate the ability of an intellectual to ignore pertinent facts.


84 posted on 06/12/2007 7:18:54 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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Repeal Second Amendment, Analyst Advises

Over a LOT of dead people's bodies.

88 posted on 06/12/2007 7:41:27 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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This anal-ist’s name really should be Half Witte.


89 posted on 06/12/2007 7:41:56 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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Compare both parties platforms in the 1950’s/early 60’s to the actions of so called conservative politicians today. Hoover would of thought the communist have taken over.

The gist is once the powers that be start talking about the extreme, those extremes of today become the norms of tomorrow.

Collectivist are feeling there oats because the electorate are too ignorant, keep our powder dry.

91 posted on 06/12/2007 7:48:25 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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Well, at least he’s honest.


94 posted on 06/12/2007 7:50:54 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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Mr. Wittes understands very little about the importance of individual responsibility in a free or successful society:

The Responsibility Factor.

William Flax

96 posted on 06/12/2007 7:55:48 AM PDT by Ohioan
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that rather than try to limit gun ownership through regulation that potentially violates the Second Amendment, opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether
The Bill of Rights weren't independent amendments, they were preconditions for ratification. When the Constitution was first ratified, there weren't nine states with unconditional ratifications - the nine states threshold was met only by including those states that ratified only on the precondition that a Bill of Rights be included.

In other words, should the Bill of Rights be repealed, in whole or in part, the Constitution would no longer be ratified, and the Federal Government would no longer have any legitimacy.

Of course, no government has legitimacy absent the consent of the government, and no people who have been disarmed have can consent (consent being meaningless unless refusal of consent can be enforced). So the fundamental truth is that no government that infringes on the IRKBA can be legitimate.

But in the case of the US, it's direct and immediate. No 2nd Amendment == no legitimate federal government.

97 posted on 06/12/2007 7:57:24 AM PDT by jdege
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I think this guy is actually being quite honorable, admitting what he wants. 99% of the anit-gunners lie about their real intentions.


98 posted on 06/12/2007 7:58:51 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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Repeal it, I dare you. You just have to ask yourself one question... Do you feel LUCKY, punk?


99 posted on 06/12/2007 7:59:01 AM PDT by Xenophon450
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