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1 posted on 06/12/2007 4:23:31 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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Believe it or not, this is the best for pro-gun people. If they try to repeal it, they’ll obviously fail.

Maybe if they take his advice and stop trying to make incremental laws and such and repeal the ones that we have now, things will get a lot better.


2 posted on 06/12/2007 4:25:34 AM PDT by Tolsti
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Yeah like that’s really gonna happen.


3 posted on 06/12/2007 4:25:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Sub-Driver

What is this guy smoking?


4 posted on 06/12/2007 4:26:19 AM PDT by Gabz
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

What society is he talking about? The leftist, socialist big daddy government society?

5 posted on 06/12/2007 4:27:16 AM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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In your face Liberalism. Hillary wants to take your stuff and give it to others she thinks want it and can better use it — And now, no longer is the public safety “if it saves one life” ruse even tried anymore.

Democrats, raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. I am sure you can figure out how the three parts connect together.


7 posted on 06/12/2007 4:29:01 AM PDT by Tarpon
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according to a legal affairs analyst who opposes gun ownership.

Well, I gotta say....it's refreshing to see somebody tell you exactly where they stand & how they feel. Even though I totally disagree.

8 posted on 06/12/2007 4:29:23 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Better idea. Instead of repealing the Second Amendment (which includes the right of self-defense) we should simply figure out how to deport this Wittes guy to some country where people have no Second Amendment rights.

Make him happy. Make us rest easier.

After all, sometimes it's necessary for a single individual to pay a steep price so that others may have freedom and liberty, and this is a case where I think Wittes is that guy!

9 posted on 06/12/2007 4:31:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said.

"This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Oh yeah mr 'guest scholar'. I'll bet ya a shiny new Nickel otherwise.

10 posted on 06/12/2007 4:31:21 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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Actually, it’s refreshing to hear a leftist just come out and say they just don’t believe in the Constitution and the America of the Founding Fathers.

I am so sick of these Pelosi types that come out and insist they want “America’s original vision” and then try to gut everything we ever believed.

Scary, though.


12 posted on 06/12/2007 4:33:05 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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Never heard of this guy,and why do we give a crap what he thinks?

He should go crap in his hat.

The second amendment is one of the things that keeps our own government in control,and now with our politicians seemingly not caring what the will of the people is any more we may need it now worse than ever.


14 posted on 06/12/2007 4:34:20 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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Hell... let’s just get rid of that pesky Constitution... didn’t the Founders understand that hildebeast was coming? (extreme sarcasm)

If they try to abolish something so important that the Founding Fathers felt it neccessary to put it in the Constitution, right behind the Freedom of Speech and Assembly... a War will break out in the streets of America... a REAL CIVIL WAR!

Can we sue these people for trying to supress our Constitutional rights? I’ll bet the lawsuits would fly at the first hint of repealing the FIRST AMENDMENT!

LLS


15 posted on 06/12/2007 4:34:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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I know there are many who would also repeal the whole Bill of Rights if they had the opportunity and even bring in ex-post facto laws where you can get charged for offense even though the offense didn't exist at the time you committed it.

The socialist set would like to change our laws from where you can do anything unless specified by law and the government has to get permission to do something (power reserved to the people unless specified as mentioned in the US Constitution) to the gov't can do anything and the people has to seek permission unless otherwise specified.

It is like that in the corporate world. I worked for a manager who was a jerk. It almost got to the point that I had to ask permission to spend more than a minute in the bathroom !
16 posted on 06/12/2007 4:34:43 AM PDT by CORedneck
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"opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether."

Not a good idea; a Hail-Mary play like this would be so in-your-face that even the freedom-freeloaders might finally get off their collective butts and resist.

"Repeal the Second Amendment", eh? How about repealing these worms' birth certificates instead?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 06/12/2007 4:34:58 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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Bring it on.

Repeal would fail miserably.

I agree with the analysis that the Second Amendment is a clear statement and that the only way to ban gun ownership is to repeal it. But the notion that repeal could happen in this country could only be entertained by somebody who has led a very, very sheltered life.


18 posted on 06/12/2007 4:36:29 AM PDT by jebeier (Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. But is stupidity sufficient?)
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“One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government,” Wittes said. “This is something we don’t really believe as a society anymore.”

What??? This guy is nuts.

Charlton Heston said it best.......


21 posted on 06/12/2007 4:42:35 AM PDT by jch10
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So this guy is anti gun and he thinks repealing the 2nd Amendment would restrict guns better than incrementalizing laws?

What an idiot.

If we put the same type of regulations around “freedom of the press” as we do around owning a firearm, the daily news would be about two weeks behind, there’d be only a couple of news outlets, they’d all be censored by the federal government, and there’d be a huge blackmarket where people went for current news. Neither incrementalism nor a repeal will eliminate guns from society. What's this guy's plan for all the new criminals that will be created after the repeal? Amnesty?

26 posted on 06/12/2007 4:50:23 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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The Second Amendment was a necessary precondition of enacting the Constitution in the first place. Repealing it would mean not only the end of the Amendment itself, but also the end of the Constitution.

It would not, however, mean the end of the right, because the right itself pre-existed and is not dependent on the Second Amendment. It would simply legalize government abuse and denial of the fundamental right to self-defense, just like in Rwanda.


27 posted on 06/12/2007 4:50:47 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Citing the Fourth Amendment, which protects "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures," (Georgetown Law Prof) Barnett argued, "Sure it was fine that persons should be secure in their papers and effects back in the old days when there wasn't a danger of terrorism and mass murder."

Actually, the amount of terrorism and mass murder "back in the old days" dwarfs what we are seeing today. Folks weren't just walking around in petticoats and powdered wigs, you know...

30 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:59 AM PDT by jebeier (Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. But is stupidity sufficient?)
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This guy is only re-stating the Socialist Manifesto:

"Dump the Second Ammendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights will follow."

31 posted on 06/12/2007 4:55:11 AM PDT by bimbo
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While an ardent supporter of the 2nd amendment, and member of the Virginia unorganized militia (by law), it is nice to see someone taking a head-on approach to the 2nd rather than the back-door efforts to erode the right to bear arms. However, there is a sort of asymmetric warefare at play here. While there would be a definite ending point for the debate if, God forbid, the 2nd amendment were repealed, there is no such event for the 2nd amendment’s sustaining. When would the anti-gun crowd ever admit that it had failed to repeal the 2nd amendment and move on? They wouldn’t. They would just sneak around the back of the house and try the back door again. And again and again and again.

The debate is settled. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land. Period.


32 posted on 06/12/2007 4:55:59 AM PDT by vamoose
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