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Repeal Second Amendment, Analyst Advises
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Posted on 06/12/2007 4:23:30 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Repeal Second Amendment, Analyst Advises By Nathan Burchfiel CNSNews.com Staff Writer June 12, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - The Second Amendment guarantees the right of an individual to own guns and for that reason should be repealed, according to a legal affairs analyst who opposes gun ownership.

"The Second Amendment is one of the clearest statements of right in the Constitution," Benjamin Wittes, a guest scholar at the center-left Brookings Institution, acknowledged in a discussion Monday. "We've had decades of sort of intellectual gymnastics to try to make those words not mean what they say."

Wittes, who said he has "no particular enthusiasm for the idea of a gun culture," said that rather than try to limit gun ownership through regulation that potentially violates the Second Amendment, opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether.

"Rather than debating the meaning of the Second Amendment, I think the appropriate debate is whether we want a Second Amendment," Wittes said. He conceded, however, that the political likelihood of getting the amendment repealed is "pretty limited."

Wittes said the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms meant more when it was crafted more than 200 years ago than it does today. Modern society is "much more ambivalent than they [the founders] were about whether gun ownership really is fundamental to liberty," he said.

"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

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To: Sub-Driver

“One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government,” Wittes said. “This is something we don’t really believe as a society anymore.”

What??? This guy is nuts.

Charlton Heston said it best.......


21 posted on 06/12/2007 4:42:35 AM PDT by jch10
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To: I still care

I think this should be the Dem platform, “Repeal the 2nd Amendment”

Sounds like a sure-fire recipe for victory...

For Conservatives, that is.


22 posted on 06/12/2007 4:45:48 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: I still care

“Actually, it’s refreshing to hear a leftist just come out and say they just don’t believe in the Constitution and the America of the Founding Fathers.”

No, he’s saying he doesnt believe in that PART of the constitution (he may be red-hot passionate on everything else for all we know), and that the America of the Founding Fathers isn’t the same as the America of today (which of course it isn’t. Whether or not its different in the ways he thinks is a matter of debate).

It is refreshing. I don’t mind politicos who say what they think. If you like it, vote for it. If you dont, vote agin em! At least you know where you stand with this kind of guy. You can argue your point, and he can argue his, and the people can decide. Its called freedom of expression.

It is the twisty slimy types (pelosi?) who say one thing and mean another that I despise.


23 posted on 06/12/2007 4:46:37 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: corlorde
Sounds like a sure-fire recipe for victory... For Conservatives, that is.

2008 is gonna be fun!

24 posted on 06/12/2007 4:47:46 AM PDT by jebeier (Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. But is stupidity sufficient?)
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To: jebeier

No doubt it would fail miserably. But look at what the guy is saying - he thinks that as well.


25 posted on 06/12/2007 4:48:43 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Sub-Driver
So this guy is anti gun and he thinks repealing the 2nd Amendment would restrict guns better than incrementalizing laws?

What an idiot.

If we put the same type of regulations around “freedom of the press” as we do around owning a firearm, the daily news would be about two weeks behind, there’d be only a couple of news outlets, they’d all be censored by the federal government, and there’d be a huge blackmarket where people went for current news. Neither incrementalism nor a repeal will eliminate guns from society. What's this guy's plan for all the new criminals that will be created after the repeal? Amnesty?

26 posted on 06/12/2007 4:50:23 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Second Amendment was a necessary precondition of enacting the Constitution in the first place. Repealing it would mean not only the end of the Amendment itself, but also the end of the Constitution.

It would not, however, mean the end of the right, because the right itself pre-existed and is not dependent on the Second Amendment. It would simply legalize government abuse and denial of the fundamental right to self-defense, just like in Rwanda.


27 posted on 06/12/2007 4:50:47 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: I still care

Gun ownership, individual rights, individual responsibilities and socialist utopia do not go together.


28 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:25 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: muawiyah

Send him to some craphole in the mideast or southeast Asia where if he actually speaks his opinion, some Mufti will order an intifadah against him.
Then he’ll get to kiss the chambers of the guns that get carried by the Marines who come in to save his worthless behind!


29 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:53 AM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: Sub-Driver
Citing the Fourth Amendment, which protects "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures," (Georgetown Law Prof) Barnett argued, "Sure it was fine that persons should be secure in their papers and effects back in the old days when there wasn't a danger of terrorism and mass murder."

Actually, the amount of terrorism and mass murder "back in the old days" dwarfs what we are seeing today. Folks weren't just walking around in petticoats and powdered wigs, you know...

30 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:59 AM PDT by jebeier (Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. But is stupidity sufficient?)
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To: Sub-Driver
This guy is only re-stating the Socialist Manifesto:

"Dump the Second Ammendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights will follow."

31 posted on 06/12/2007 4:55:11 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Sub-Driver

While an ardent supporter of the 2nd amendment, and member of the Virginia unorganized militia (by law), it is nice to see someone taking a head-on approach to the 2nd rather than the back-door efforts to erode the right to bear arms. However, there is a sort of asymmetric warefare at play here. While there would be a definite ending point for the debate if, God forbid, the 2nd amendment were repealed, there is no such event for the 2nd amendment’s sustaining. When would the anti-gun crowd ever admit that it had failed to repeal the 2nd amendment and move on? They wouldn’t. They would just sneak around the back of the house and try the back door again. And again and again and again.

The debate is settled. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land. Period.


32 posted on 06/12/2007 4:55:59 AM PDT by vamoose
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To: Sub-Driver
Wittes, who said he has "no particular enthusiasm for the idea of a gun culture," said that rather than try to limit gun ownership through regulation that potentially violates the Second Amendment, opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether.

So, because he's obviously an anti-gun pansy and "doesn't like the gun culture", he wants to strip away a true Constitutional right? Simply breathtaking.

33 posted on 06/12/2007 4:58:20 AM PDT by Sister_T (No Amnesty for Illegal, Lawbreaking, Criminal INVADERS!)
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To: Sub-Driver
"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Maybe YOUR society doesn't, bubby, but MY society says different.

34 posted on 06/12/2007 5:02:10 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Sub-Driver
"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Speak for yourself pal. And the rest of the liberal socialists.

35 posted on 06/12/2007 5:02:27 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Sub-Driver
Modern society is "much more ambivalent than they [the founders] were about whether gun ownership really is fundamental to liberty," he said.

Nah, it's not "modern society" that's much more ambivalent - it's liberals. Conservatives still believe in the Constitution.

36 posted on 06/12/2007 5:07:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (We are NOT a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of Americans - legal, assimilated and proud-Laney)
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To: Sub-Driver

Repeal of the 2nd invalidates the Government. Period.


37 posted on 06/12/2007 5:09:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
“If we put the same type of regulations around “freedom of the press” as we do around owning a firearm, the daily news would be about two weeks behind, there’d be only a couple of news outlets, they’d all be censored by the federal government, and there’d be a huge blackmarket where people went for current news. Neither incrementalism nor a repeal will eliminate guns from society. What’s this guy’s plan for all the new criminals that will be created after the repeal? Amnesty?”

Hmmm... substitute MSM for the press, and “New Media” for the blackmarket... and you are not so far off of reality.

38 posted on 06/12/2007 5:13:34 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: GOPJ

Remember that the socialist panty-waists have already disarmed themselves. They want to level the political field by having real men disarmed so they can slap them with a lawsuit, or some other wussified action.

Nothing quite like the smell of cordite in the morning.


39 posted on 06/12/2007 5:14:07 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Stashiu

Remember that the socialist panty-waists have already disarmed themselves.


I doubt they have disarmed themselves. This is about YOUR guns, not theirs. They understand where power comes from and that is why they want you disarmed.


40 posted on 06/12/2007 5:19:29 AM PDT by Modok
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