Posted on 06/08/2007 4:33:15 AM PDT by savedbygrace
It's Not Over [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
A Senate aide cautions:
First, yes, the victory yesterday - a product of tireless efforts by a handful of conservative Senators and staff - is a nice pause in this debacle. But I am afraid that is all it may be... the White House is still 100% committed to getting this bill passed. Harry Reid is looking to actually accomplish SOMETHING for crying out loud... and there is no tiring by ... the entire "deal-making" team. The White House has a full plan of attack. They are ready to start plucking votes one-by-one. Conservatives should note precisely which Senators were with us on defeating cloture and compare that to how Senators may change if the bill comes back... in other words, we should make sure we know which Senators are bought-off if the White House does what we believe they will. The sad reality is that people are putting far too much stock in the votes against cloture for some of the deal-makers. Some felt they had to vote that way in order to be "fair" to the caucus. However, those guys were ready to vote the other way if they had felt they could get away with it. Seriously, don't make too much of their votes... there were very specific reasons why they did it - and it had to do with the tough stances of a few conservative senators...
06/08 05:56 AM
I hate myself...
But, Why?
a; President Bush has done good sometimes and bad sometimes.
b; Blind support in all things, like blind opposition, ignores both reality and political responsibility.
c; The vast majority of folks on FR support him in most of his actions in the WOT - even the mistakes when they are honest mistakes.
d; The vast majority of folks on FR absolutely do NOT support his position on illegal immigration - particularly as it centers on mexico.
e; (I believe) the vast majority here on FR do NOT hate or even dislike anyone for being of mexican descent, however,
f; Most on FR strongly oppose the import of an alien culture - in mass - as well as granting of special interest (minority) status to huge numbers of non-Americans who introduced themselves by breaking the law. (!)
g: Illegal immigration today is in absolutely NO manner similar to uncontrolled immigration in the 19th century and in NO manner similar to the waves of specific nationalities who have come in the past.
h; Even past immigration waves have brought undesirable elements, which the US still attempts to reject - The IRA and it's east coast funding, several nationality specific brands of "Mafia", new or recurrence of old diseases, ..mexican waves DO threaten even higher numbers of these elements.
i; mexican illegals are NOT refugees.
j; GWB does not even need "globalization" or the idea of a continental entity - he owes mexican interests on both sides of the border for some part of his political success in a state that is only today reconsidering where its southern border actually lies.j; The mexican government has historically been unable to manage its own affairs and has never stopped using the USA as its alibi for failure.
k/1; mexican schools teach anti-Americanism, "Gringos stole our territory", not entirely unlike islamlic madrassas teach anti-Americanism.
k/2; Many of our own universities and public schools teach that 'Reconquesta' is a valid demand & "Aztlan" a real place.
l; The recently withdrawn amnesty bill WILL come back at us. It will come back as soon as the coven supporting it adds sufficient complexity, empty assurances, vague mandates, and requirements that will never be imposed, to allow another press for the same old thing.
m, (I'm losing track); We have NO guarantee that a second attempt will fail, none, nada, zero, zilch...
n; The president and his allies (both sides) will spend what is left of their honor trying to buy or coerce those opposing onto their side - I suspect that, without serious continued input from the grass roots, they will find takers.
o; This issue DOES detract from both support for, and execution of, the WOT - it's not fair to our troops and it's not a rational policy.
p; There is ample evidence that terrorists ARE using the mexican frontier as a means of entering the USA - to argue otherwise is not credible.
So, we are back to some here support the president sometimes and don't support the president other times.
In this instance, maybe we need to start a new campaign to make him aware of the risk he faces in losing both his pay back and our war on terrorism.
ADDENDA:
q; mexico never settled or controlled the territories north of it's present border - it was given to them and they sold it after less than a generation.
PS: Fox News just announced that Paris Hilton will be made to actually attend her courtroom hearing today - there's some good news, trivial as it may be, after all.
I think I hear the fat lady singing off in the distance. LOL.
Well sir, I believe that just about sums it up.
Well put.
Those neighbors are the problem. The Amnesty that troubles me is the Amnesty for ten of thousands of American employers who've provided jobs for illegals, the Amnesty granted to a corrupt government in Mexico that continues to encourage the invasion, and the Amnesty for American politicians who have enabled the invasion as well.
Why are Mexicans who come here to work to blame for this problem when they're paid to come here, encouraged to come here by their own government, and assured by Americans that nothing will happen to them if they come? Believe me, if I could make from 200-1000% more money for myself, wife and kids by breaking Canadian laws and I was encouraged to do it by the US and implicitly given the OK by Ottawa, I sure as hell would do just that.
Americans who keep repeating that "staying with the status quo is Amnesty," are saying "we are breaking the law and we have every intention of continuing to do so." And knowing they've broken the law, they're perplexed that us "Yahoos" and "Know Nothings" don't trust them to not break the newest set of laws all over again. Their talk about "rounding up 12 million people and putting them in trucks" as if we were discussing sending Jews to death camps in boxcars, their constant name calling, and their denials that the statistics show illegal immigration is a net drain on our economy are nothing more than criminal rationalizations for their own bad behavior.
Our fundamental problem is not with Mexican illegals, but with American employers who believe that illegal sub-market labor subsidized by American taxpayers is their right and privilege. If anybody should be rounded up and sent to Mexico, it's the American criminal class who's created this mess.
ping
For seeing the problem too clearly, but being unable to see a solution.
Good summary.
A pretty good list.
A verse from a song that rings true. It’s better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you’re not.
If anybody should be rounded up and sent to Mexico, it’s the American criminal class who’s created this mess.
You mean our entire political body?
You have no future in politics...
It may come back and I really think left wingers will try to ram this travesty through.
However, many politicians who have had any kind allegiance to this boondoggle will have some second thoughts before selling out America in the future.
I would really hate to be in Lindsay Grahams shoes this morning.
He can begin to pack his office right now as he will not be a Senator after this next election.
You have no future in politics...
I know.
LOL!
“IF he does not put the US first, then what’s with the war.”
In retrospect, I’m pretty sure he didn’t consider weapons of mass distruction or Sadam’s imminent use of them as the reason for war. I’m not sure what his real objectives were, but the war has been a disaster and we will end up leaving in disgrace.
As Alberta’s Child said yesterday in a different thread:
“If someone had approached the Iranian government back in 2002 and suggested that within five years the following conditions would be in place . . .
1. Iraq’s Ba’athist government overthrown
2. Saddam Hussein executed
3. A new Shi’ite-dominated government in place in Iraq
4. The U.S. utterly incapable of mounting a serious military campaign anywhere in the Middle East
5. The ruling party in the U.S. government thrown out of office, to be replaced by elected officials who are basically avowed Communists
6. Iran’s biggest export (oil) trading at historic high prices
7. (As a result of #6) Iran’s nuclear program accelerated to a point far beyond anything they could have imagined.
. . . I suspect nobody in Iran’s government would have believed you. They couldn’t have done any better if they had placed their own agents in position of power in the U.S. government.”
I still believe part of the reason for Iraq. Was prep. for Iran.
I got no problem with calling them a big part of the problem, but a lot of those guys bust their butts doing things other than the lawn, so I will refrain from calling them lazy.
As for greedy, I am from the Gordon Gecko school of thought on that one...
The left is split. The far left wingers don't want the borders closed...at all, period and the welfare Moms don't want them here.
I think the open borders people just won a decisive victory when all is said and done.
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