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The Real RINOs
Doug Loss | June 1, 2007 | Doug Loss

Posted on 06/01/2007 7:06:52 AM PDT by Doug Loss

I've been a registered Republican since I first came of voting age. I always thought that the Republican Party most closely reflected the values and beliefs I held dear, and was serious about working toward putting them into effect. I joined others among the conservative grass-roots members of the party in deriding Republican elected officials who denigrated conservative principles and were only interested in personal power as "RINOs," Republicans In Name Only.

I've come to believe in the past few months, after watching Republicans in positions of power actively pushing away conservative values and beliefs and calling those of us who hold them various unsavory names, that the people we have been calling RINOs are in fact the true face of the Republican Party. If the term "RINO" has any real meaning at all, I think it has to apply to us conservatives who still hope we can make the Republican Party into the defender of conservative, traditionally American values it increasingly seldom pretends to be. Is that effort still worthwhile? Is it still possible? Or is the Republican Party irremediably compromised and broken, and is it time for us to repudiate it and start to build a new party to promote our American values?


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1 posted on 06/01/2007 7:06:54 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss

I consider RINOs Log Cabin Republicans.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1791031/posts
My Email to the Republican National Committee

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts
2004 - Log Cabin Congratulates Our Victorious Candidates (2004)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519618/posts
Republican Main Street Partnership (George Soros is funding the Moderates)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1796766/posts
From the ORIGINAL Cache of the 2004 Republican National Convention

This is the brochure for the protest of the 2004 Republican National Convention.

This brochure is for the groups, Not in Our Name, Code Pink, RNC2DNC, MoveOn, Stonewall and name the group of the day.

There were a lot of thank yous that went out on the anti war protesters mails for all the inside help they had in getting the RNC schedule of events, guests and planning information so they could affectly assemble at all the events.

Look at August 29. A thank you party was held for the Log Cabin Republicans.


2 posted on 06/01/2007 7:10:04 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Doug Loss
I've come to believe in the past few months, after watching Republicans in positions of power actively pushing away conservative values and beliefs and calling those of us who hold them various unsavory names, that the people we have been calling RINOs are in fact the true face of the Republican Party. If the term "RINO" has any real meaning at all, I think it has to apply to us conservatives who still hope we can make the Republican Party into the defender of conservative, traditionally American values it increasingly seldom pretends to be.

I had essentially the same thing as my tagline for a while last year:

I fear that we are the RINOs. The real Republican party is the big government Dem-lite party.

3 posted on 06/01/2007 7:14:36 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: Doug Loss

Keep your powder dry. A lot depends on how the next nomination process plays itself out.

If Rudy McRomney are the nominees, I think you’ll see a permanent divorce of the GOP and conservatism and the rise of the CP. Despite what party loyalists would have you believe, political parties are not permanent.


4 posted on 06/01/2007 7:16:56 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Old_Mil

I think it is a little worse than that. If a RINO or dem get into the POTUS seat 2008, there won’t be a next time for a new party (CP).

This election is for all the marbles.


5 posted on 06/01/2007 7:21:02 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Doug Loss

AFIK, GW Bush is a RINO.

See Peggy Noonan’s excellent piece: “Too Bad”

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110010148

“...
What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them. What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition...”


6 posted on 06/01/2007 7:27:14 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Doug Loss

This is something I have been concerned with for awhile. I cannot stress enough however the necessity of maintaining all possible the established mechanisms of the Republican Party. Conservatives have been the base of the Rep. Party.

Perhaps it is a lost cause as Socialists seem to have infiltrated the Rep. Party leadership as they consumed the Democrat Leadership and seek the demise of the Party, thus the Conservative base. This would put the Conservative perspective out of play for undeterminable time as Conservatives would have to invigorate a third party, or create a new one. That would take vast amounts of money and time to achieve.

IOW effectively shutdown or rather shut up the Conservative allowing the Liberals the Liberty to do as they please to us while we are down for maintenance.

Certainly this is by design, similar move to the promotion of the Fairness Doctrine (to shut up Conservatives).


7 posted on 06/01/2007 7:27:34 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Old_Mil
No offense, but the last time a new party replaced an old one in a leadership position, it was called “The Civil War.”
Parties are not permanent, but changing ‘em out is Hell.
8 posted on 06/01/2007 7:28:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Calpernia

“This election is for all the marbles.”
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It’s already over, Cal. The ruling class is having its way, like it or not. It’s going to take a lot more than mere elections to alter the course of the American government.


9 posted on 06/01/2007 7:32:45 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: Roccus

Not all the treaties are signed yet. So it isn’t over.


10 posted on 06/01/2007 7:35:59 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Little Ray

You know, I’m also concerned that we just may see something akin to the Civil War if the ruling “elite” (from both parties) don’t start actually addressing the concerns and desires of the majority of people in the country. And make no mistake about it, this means more than just avowed conservatives. There are still many rank-n-file Democrats, middle-class blacks and hispanics, etc., who would never consider voting Republican but who are just as upset at the direction of the country as we are.


11 posted on 06/01/2007 7:44:11 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Calpernia

Whether they’re signed yet or not means nothing. The mindset of government is already established. They are going to have their way sooner or later (but not by much). Both political parties in America are hell-bent on globalism...the only difference between them is in the details of how the New World Government is going to be run.


12 posted on 06/01/2007 7:48:58 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: Roccus

I’m not ready to retreat yet :)


13 posted on 06/01/2007 7:50:59 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: theBuckwheat

Thanks for posting that Noonan column. That was a slam-dunk appraisal of the Bush/RINO Betrayal.


14 posted on 06/01/2007 7:53:18 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: Doug Loss

Much of the problem is the argument of what is a conservative.

The most appropriate definition of conservative is someone who is resistant to change and generally accepting of the status quo. However, there are conservatives who are less conservative because they want more change, either towards traditional values or prospective values.

This creates an illusion of disagreement, but all three groups do have a strong core value: that of the status quo.

It also can be not quite what is expected, because of instead of being liberal and anti-liberal, those conservatives on the right of the equation want change in more of a *known* direction, such as embracing laws that did exist, and are known to have worked, but are no longer used.

Whereas, those conservatives on the left want change in an *unknown*, but not necessarily liberal direction.

For example, after 9-11, President Bush wanted radical change in an unknown direction to heighten national security, with the Patriot Act. This was very “left conservative” of him, but hardly anyone would think of it as liberal.

Conversely, Pat Buchanan wanted to bring the US military home, seal the borders, and for America to enter a state of profound isolationism, which as a nation we had done before. So in this case, he was a very “right conservative”, wanting change in the direction of the known.

But *none* of this is in any way “liberal”.

To take another issue, say illegal immigration, “middle” conservatives would be in favor of allowing those already here to stay, but blocking further entry of illegals. Again, that is the status quo. “Right conservatives” would be in favor of deporting most or all illegals, as that would be a return to the “known” condition of the US before they arrived.

However, “left conservatives” don’t seem to have a firm shared philosophy of an “unknown” direction to move the situation forward. And this has resulted in confusion and uncertainty among all conservatives.

There is a concern that “left conservatives” are considering multi-nationalism as a solution to this and related problems, with downright bizarre ideas like the NASCO corridor, a North American Union, etc., which terribly unnerves both middle and right conservatives.

From the point of view of “left conservatives”, this would be very pro-business and strongly boost the US economy as well as that of Mexico and Canada, improving prosperity eliminating the need for illegal immigration.

But they grossly erred in assuming that through stealth and gradualism they could sneak this by the middle and right conservatives, who are frankly horrified of the whole idea, and are beginning to question the conservative credentials of the left conservatives.

Exacerbating this is the willingness of the left conservatives to embrace leftists and technocrats in their pursuit of the left conservative agenda. This, more than anything else is intolerable to the middle and right conservatives, who are now frustrated with the dominance of left conservatives as potential presidential candidates.

So how do we distinguish between left conservatives and RINOs? Eventually middle and right conservatives must be very clear that left conservatives and RINOs have a clear dividing line. And that once that line is crossed, they will no longer be considered conservatives, no matter their protestations otherwise.

It will actually be healthier for the Republican party if they do have some openly liberal members, unafraid to call themselves liberal. This would help the left conservatives to pursue conservative unknowns without fearing that leftist associations would taint what they feel is a better new direction. It would give them somewhere to go if their ideas are repulsive to middle and right conservatives.


15 posted on 06/01/2007 7:59:43 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Calpernia
Awareness of the true depth and progress of the betrayal of America by the ruling class, both D and R, is not retreat. To believe in a system that has been irreparably destroyed is little more than “whistling past the grave yard.”
16 posted on 06/01/2007 8:01:05 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: Doug Loss
Very few conservative Republicans can withstand the scorn of the establishment. Reagan and Goldwater were the exceptions.

The current crop of the leading "conservative" Republican candidates are flip floppers. e.g. McRomney. Trying to appease conservatives and the establishment simultaneously.

That's why charactor is so important. More important IMO than the issues. Without it you get the "Flip Flop Express".

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid". Ronald Wilson Reagan 1982

"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others". Winston Churchill.


17 posted on 06/01/2007 8:01:59 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: rockinqsranch

You can stress all you care to.

High taxes and spending.
Lax security when it comes to our borders.
Selling out conservatives to kiss up to ILLEGALs for the purpose of cheap labor.
Ignoring EVERY conservative principle they care about.
Kissing up to the likes of the swimmer, Kennedy.

Maintain? You’ve got to be kidding.
I’m looking for a conservative party, not a bunch of sell out RINO liberals.


18 posted on 06/01/2007 8:04:27 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Roccus

I’m aware. And I would like to think I’m contributing to change it.


19 posted on 06/01/2007 8:06:02 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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