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Mironov Tells Kyoto Experts The World Is Getting Cooler
Moscow Times.com ^ | May 28 2007 | Simon Shuster

Posted on 05/28/2007 12:02:47 AM PDT by carlo3b

 

Mironov Tells Kyoto Experts The World Is Getting Cooler
By Simon Shuster
Staff Writer

Sergei Mironov

ST. PETERSBURG -- It was a failure from the start. Russia's biggest conference on the Kyoto Protocol, which aims to fight global warming, began with a speech from a top official who denied that global warming even exists.

"In reality, the scientific basis for the protocol is fairly weak," Federation Council Speaker Sergei Mironov told a crowded opening session of the two-day conference Thursday, which drew more than 200 environmental experts and carbon market participants from around the world. "In the opinion of many experts, the emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere does not have any effect on the climate."

On this point, Mironov stands on the fringes of global scientific opinion. A growing consensus has formed among top scientists and politicians, who have been warning governments to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases being spewed into the atmosphere. The Kyoto Protocol, first signed in 1997, created a system of financial incentives for doing this.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: blaspheminggore; climatechange; ecofascism; globalcooling; globalmarshallplan; globalwarming; globalwarmingbs; globalwarmingmyth; gorebalism; kyoto; pogw; progressives; religionofgore; spiritual; thegigisup
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To: LibertarianLiz

“I remember going to an information night for Northwestern University (when my eldest was looking at schools with good music programs). The whole emphasis seemed to be on the student being able to “find themselves” during the four years at Northwestern by taking whatever classes they wanted.”

Ironically, I’ve met graduates of that school who couldn’t find their ass with both hands and a map...


101 posted on 05/28/2007 11:14:40 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: carlo3b; Calpernia

There is a significant gramattical error in the headline.

“Expert” means somebody that knows what they are talking about.

“Professional” means somebody that is making a living in the field, expert or not....


102 posted on 05/28/2007 11:15:34 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: carlo3b
I really think this BS bubble is finally going to burst.. This insanity has gone on far too long..

Yeah. Right after politically correctness ends.

103 posted on 05/28/2007 11:17:48 AM PDT by deadrock
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Your essay and paragraph composition skills are also lacking, as that reply demonstrates. The most significant point you should learn is to stick to ONE point and make it well. What is the ONE point of your response?

A secondary point is that there was no "dissertation" -- you speak to your own imaginary puffery when you introduce a new, what we gather is derogatory-in-context term like that. Do you expect a response after such agitated verbal frothing?

And what is the And "How about this:" is what is known as a sentence fragment. A totally battered fragment by the way. You are very abusive to language, aren't you?

Are you trying to speak like an Indian? Well I say "How!" right back to you. And my single point in this response is that idiocy arrives with a mob of idiocies.

Good writing avoids the mob.

104 posted on 05/28/2007 11:23:47 AM PDT by bvw
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To: carlo3b

The profane babbling of another mad Ivan. What would he know? It’s not like he’s an expert or anything. The AlGoricle is the only real expert. He said so and I believe him. You could see by the tilt of his head that he’d never lie.

I mean, how dense can people be? We already live in underground hive/havens under a mile thick sheet of ice ... oh, wait, sorry, that was the ‘70s...

I mean, how dense can people be? We’ve already had global wars over scarce water recourses and the outlands’ are filled with prowling madmen in home made dune buggies and motor cycles ... oh wait, that was the ‘80s...

I mean...ok, I’m confused. How is it we’re living now? Under water right? We’re all going to drown this time, right?

Where’s my copy of the Party Approved Rhetoric? I get so lost without the talking points page to reference. I remember it’s something about the polar bears...


105 posted on 05/28/2007 11:24:43 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

I don’t know. Experts in court are paid for their opinions. I do understand your point, though.


106 posted on 05/28/2007 11:29:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: carlo3b

The Kyoto protocols were meaningless to Russia because they used 1990 as a benchmark.

The collapse of Soviet smokestack industry shortly after 1990 guaranteed that Russia could always meet whatever “voluntary reductions in greenhouse gases” that Kyoto specified. This is why 1990 was chosen as a benchmark, so that Russia and Germany would benefit from the collapse of Communist-era industry.

However, any successor treaty to Kyoto would hurt Russia’s economy, so the Russians will oppose the process from now on.


107 posted on 05/28/2007 11:30:51 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: DEADROCK

Almost all the TV media morons talk about “global warming” as if it were as factual as green grass. The average DemoSocialist voter probably thinks it’s real, and really caused by “evil capitalists”. They can’t quite handle the idea that solar activity and other natural events are far more powerful than homo sapiens.


108 posted on 05/28/2007 11:38:17 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: carlo3b
Here it is almost June and maybe I missed it but I have not seen the consensus report out of the UN on global warming. It was supposed to back up the rhetoric/bs from earlier in the year. It was only supposed to be couple of months. Still waiting.
109 posted on 05/28/2007 11:39:24 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: bvw

That was a lot of hot air to avoid pointing to any references that show that the population of the Earth is shrinking.

Rather than respond to the point, which you damn well understood, you danced and jiggled and spun.

This is an online forum, not an essay contest.

If you’re going to make a point, and it’s challenged, respond directly. My guess is you’re going through all this “puffery” to avoid doing so.


110 posted on 05/28/2007 11:39:54 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem; bvw
“Take a class in basic sentence structure before you post again. Please.”

Of course, it was easier for you to pick on my grammar than address my challenge.

I hate both of you.

111 posted on 05/28/2007 11:41:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: gcruse
“religion itself proves...”

Just like with race, its you Libs that have to play the “religion” card (I didn’t mention religion or God). Maybe you can tell me the results so far for SETI. When I see something like Mt. Rushmore, I can tell its “by design”, not a freak/mutation of nature, same thing with the universe and life on Earth. Your the one that has some explaining to do (but of course Libs never have to explain themselves).

112 posted on 05/28/2007 11:53:41 AM PDT by razzle
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To: carlo3b
So I wonder if Kyoto was actually written with the help of these carbon traders so as to CREATE the market that would bring them those billions of dollars in carbon credit trading. Then those same folks create the media scare and hype of 'climate change' so as to bully politicians into making their governments toe the line so that these carbon credits will have to be traded, thus making the lawyers and brokers a LOT of money.

Maybe some enterprising journalist could do some investigative work to find out just how closely entwined the 'climate change' movement members are with the 'carbon credit' trading market. To me this would be as valid as the media always accusing opponents of the idea of anthropogenic global warming of being connected to, or funded by,the oil industry.

As Rush always says, "Follow the money".

113 posted on 05/28/2007 12:01:14 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lazamataz

“I hate both of you.”

I hate both of you too, Laz. ;)


114 posted on 05/28/2007 12:04:00 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: norton
I don't want to reveal where it was. To expand on it would make me uncomfortable, but what I have said is the truth.

We wanted to keep the property pristine. It was gorgeous. The wilderness was loaded with animals--a number of species. It was surrounded by forests in which many such animals were hunted. I suppose the ones we abandoned are living there now, if they're living at all.

The regulations, suggestions, and demands that the environmentalist agencies set up were ridiculous.

I'll bet they don't recycle faithfully like my wife and I do.

I'll bet they eat the animals too. I'm not trying to make people stop eating meat. We had given names to some of the animals we saw over and over again.

115 posted on 05/28/2007 12:06:54 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Of all that I have accomplished, the thing that I am proudest of is that I have a good heart. ~Oprah)
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To: Lazamataz

Carbon credits = South Sea Bubble, Tulip Mania for the New Millenium.


116 posted on 05/28/2007 12:16:04 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: carlo3b

btt


117 posted on 05/28/2007 12:16:37 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Savage Beast
Can you give some examples for the regulations, suggestions, and demands that the environmentalist agencies set up?
118 posted on 05/28/2007 12:16:39 PM PDT by drtom
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To: carlo3b

I really think this BS bubble is finally going to burst.. This insanity has gone on far too long..”

Not only does this BS bubble need to burst, but the “carbon credits” BS bubble needs to burst at the same time.

It is the greatest con game since the “flat Earth” group.


119 posted on 05/28/2007 12:18:23 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: drtom

Not without revealing more than I want to about this, Tom—or about myself.


120 posted on 05/28/2007 12:27:44 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Of all that I have accomplished, the thing that I am proudest of is that I have a good heart. ~Oprah)
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