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Ron Paul and the 'kook squad' [Ron Paul's 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Albatross]
The Washington Times ^ | May 26, 2007 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 05/26/2007 7:52:33 AM PDT by Moseley

[snip] If Mr. Paul intends to stay in the race or even maintain his credibility, he needs to dissociate himself quickly from irresponsible accusations that the government is guilty of 3,000 counts of mass murder. Not only are such ideas offensive, but they are being used around the world to bash America and organize terrorist cells against us. American lives are endangered by such irresponsible propaganda.

For those who have not gone slumming on the Internet, the September 11 conspiracy theorists say no airplanes hit the Pentagon or the World Trade Center, even though hundreds of thousands of eyes watched the planes hit live, in person. They refuse to accept Osama bin Laden's proud claims of responsibility for September 11, instead "outing" bin Laden as a paid CIA agent. They claim that 30 tons of burning jet fuel could not melt steel, even though steel's strength is reduced at 1,000 degrees Celsius and melting is irrelevant. More than a dozen steel buildings have failed from fire alone. Last month, a burning fuel truck caused the steel in a San Francisco highway overpass to melt and fail. These people are not interested in answers or truth, but only in bashing America with falsehoods.

It's the same old story. When liberals thought "maverick" John McCain was useful for undermining President Bush and Republicans, he was the darling of the news media and liberals pretending to be Republican voters. Now that Mr. McCain is supporting Mr. Bush's position on the dominant issue of the day, the mainstream news media has shunned Mr. McCain like an old mistress once the affair is over.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 911; 911conspiracy; 911truth; election; elections; marines; paulbearers; paulistas; paulnuts; ronisright; ronpaul; ronpaulcult
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To: Popman
The conspiracy nuts quote from the internet site Loose Change as if contained irrefutable facts. They aren’t interested in the truth unless it makes America out to be the villain.
21 posted on 05/26/2007 10:06:56 AM PDT by peeps36 (OUTLAWED WORDS--INSURGENT,GLOBAL WARMING,UNDOCUMENTED WORKER,PALESTINIAN,TERMINATED PREGNANCY)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Check your history again.
Alcibiades was ostracized, ie expelled by vote, from Athens after the Syracuse invasion. Having been stripped of his citizenship, he was recruited by Sparta. Of course, he did not stay there long. Evidently he had an affair with the wife of the King of Sparta, while the later was fighting. Alcibiades then fled to Persia.

He was a man without honor.

However, this has nothing to do with the thread. I can just as easily speak of the wandering nutjobs.

22 posted on 05/26/2007 10:09:34 AM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: Allegra

Try RuGiuliani. He’s the real danger in this race.


24 posted on 05/26/2007 10:12:42 AM PDT by BasilSeal
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To: God luvs America

Two You-Tube clips of the debate segment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIRRThOTCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpUZiud98lE


25 posted on 05/26/2007 10:13:03 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Allegra

Hmmm. She’s definitely a lot prettier than Ron! She’s even prettier than Edwards.


26 posted on 05/26/2007 10:14:53 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: mtbopfuyn

I see L. Ron Paul


27 posted on 05/26/2007 10:16:31 AM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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To: rmlew

“However, this has nothing to do with the thread. I can just as easily speak of the wandering nutjobs.”

I’m familiar with the history. Your further detail is not inconsistent with the point that Alcibiades was an Athenian traitor, and a factor in the animus against Socrates that his enemies exploited.

The blurry vision, and misguided passions, of political zealots seem pertinent enough to this thread. Paul is certainly no Socrates or “philosopher king” but he has a better perception of the limits of his own political vision than either his avid supporters, or frantic detractors.


28 posted on 05/26/2007 10:21:47 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: BasilSeal
Try RuGiuliani. He’s the real danger in this race.

Not a big fan of his, either. Niether one of them register on my vote-radar.

29 posted on 05/26/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

You know that RuPaul is a he, not a she, doncha?


30 posted on 05/26/2007 10:22:10 AM PDT by cammie
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
She’s definitely a lot prettier than Ron! She’s even prettier than Edwards.

Don't tell Breck Girl! He'll be poisoning RuPaul's apples and stuff so that the mirror, mirror on the wall will give the proper response to that incessant question he asks.

31 posted on 05/26/2007 10:24:10 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: Moseley
If Mr. Paul intends to stay in the race or even maintain his credibility, he needs to dissociate himself quickly from irresponsible accusations that the government is guilty of 3,000 counts of mass murder.

That's right, yet Ron Paul and his followers have regurgitated the incident repeatedly. It's the pathological Libertarian trait of having to win every debate point, no matter how trivial, tedious, or how much damage it does to your reputation.

32 posted on 05/26/2007 10:24:34 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: cammie

No I didn’t. Thanks for the tip. He (She? It?) still is prettier than Paul or Edwards.


33 posted on 05/26/2007 10:26:21 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Allegra; cammie

“Don’t tell Breck Girl! He’ll be poisoning RuPaul’s apples and stuff so that the mirror, mirror on the wall will give the proper response to that incessant question he asks.”

Or, he could hire the guy to do his makeup for him. If he can spring for a $400 haircut, he could probably afford whatever RuPaul might charge.


34 posted on 05/26/2007 10:29:58 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek; mtbopfuyn; cammie; miss marmelstein
It would be kinda funny if this thread got sort of hijacked into a RuPaul thread...

Not that I'm advocating that or anything...

35 posted on 05/26/2007 10:39:25 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: Moseley

Ron Paul is the Dennis Kucinich of the right.


36 posted on 05/26/2007 10:52:06 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Moseley
SO THEN... The Sandy Berger affair is not a lesson in conspiracy?..

A lot of people conspired to white wash that little bit of legerdemain.. A lot of people and not only from the Attorney Generals office either.. several bureaus are involved in that little conspiracy..

And CHINAGATE went away almost as easy as clearing a black board.. That took a buttload of people there..

Theres many conspiracys ,even lately, that get totally ignored.. And Vince Foster don't get me started..

How bout the AMNESTY Conspiracy?.. Some odd 20 million illegal and by the way LEGAL Aliens are VOTING DEMOCRAT.. How about that little conspiracy.. And Republ;ican officials could freeping care less.. TALK ABOUT VOTER FRAUD.. that little conspiracy of poisoning the voting demographics in America could be FOR GOOD... and the freeping White RINO HOUSE is in on it.. pushing it, demanding it, and blocking interferance like a line backer..

CONSPIRACY??.... Geeeze there is so MANY of them its hard to know where to start.. The ONLY THING NUTTY about American conspiracys is refusing to aknowledge them..

Call me for the Civil War bucko, theres a queer wind blowing in Foggy Bottom.. with dingleberrys hanging ALL OVER IT..

37 posted on 05/26/2007 11:00:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Moseley

How are you gonna vote if Ron Paul somehow manages to get the Republican nomination?


38 posted on 05/26/2007 11:04:48 AM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: hosepipe; Moseley

Two interesting books on conspiracy are:

Conspiracy, A Biblical View
online HTML - with linked index page:
http://reformed-theology.org/ice/books/conspiracy/index.html
PDF File:
http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/a_pdfs/gnco.pdf

Conspiracy at Philadelphia: The Origin of the US Constitution
http://www.demischools.org/philadelphia.pdf

If you have trouble getting past some of the author’s odd theological arguments, don’t let that prevent you from checking the footnotes, which are a treasure of useful references.


39 posted on 05/26/2007 11:40:00 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Moseley

Honestly I dislike Giuliani and McCain a lot more than I do Ron Paul, not that I really like any of the three. But atleast he’s going for the smaller government conservative approach. And while I think his total isolationism ideas aren’t realistic, it’s interesting how it’s been turned into that he beleives there were no planes or we did it to ourself conspiracies, basically all it seems he really said is our foreign policy is flawed and caused us to be attacked.


40 posted on 05/26/2007 12:08:36 PM PDT by Nomad577
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