[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

“However, this has nothing to do with the thread. I can just as easily speak of the wandering nutjobs.”

I’m familiar with the history. Your further detail is not inconsistent with the point that Alcibiades was an Athenian traitor, and a factor in the animus against Socrates that his enemies exploited.

The blurry vision, and misguided passions, of political zealots seem pertinent enough to this thread. Paul is certainly no Socrates or “philosopher king” but he has a better perception of the limits of his own political vision than either his avid supporters, or frantic detractors.

[rmlew]

I’m familiar with the history. Your further detail is not inconsistent with the point that Alcibiades was an Athenian traitor, and a factor in the animus against Socrates that his enemies exploited.
Alcibiades was hated before betraying Athens. He was ostracized, which is to say that he was expelled by vote.

The blurry vision, and misguided passions, of political zealots seem pertinent enough to this thread. Paul is certainly no Socrates or “philosopher king” but he has a better perception of the limits of his own political vision than either his avid supporters, or frantic detractors.
In that we can find agreement.