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House moves on surging oil prices
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 5/23/07 | H. JOSEF HEBERT

Posted on 05/23/2007 1:33:04 PM PDT by libertarianPA

WASHINGTON - The House, eager to do something about record high gasoline prices in advance of the Memorial Day weekend, voted narrowly Wednesday to approve stiff penalties for those found guilty of gasoline price gouging.

The bill directs the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department to go after oil companies, traders or retail operators if they take "unfair advantage" or charge "unconscionably excessive" prices for gasoline and other fuels.

The White House called the measure a form of price controls that could result in fuel shortages. It said President Bush would be urged to veto the legislation should it pass Congress.

The bill needed the approval of two-thirds of the members of the House because the leadership considered it under an expedited legislative process. Thus, the 284-141 vote was only one over the threshold for passage. A similar measure is being considered by the Senate.

The bill would for the first time create a federal law making energy price gouging illegal. It would cover not only gasoline, but also other fuels such as natural gas and heating oil.

Rep. Bart Stupak (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., its chief sponsor, in urging his colleagues to support the bill said the issue was whether "to side with Big Oil (or) ... side with consumers who are being ripped off at the gas pump."

But Stupak was forced to soften the bill so that he could get it passed by requiring a president to first declare an energy emergency before the anti-gouging law could be enforced. Oil-state Democrats had wanted such limits.

The bill calls for criminal penalties of up to $150 million for corporations and up to $2 million and a jail sentence of up to 10 years for individuals found to be engaged in price gouging.

Opponents said the legislation was too vague and amounts to price controls.

"I don't know what `unconscionably excessive' means," Rep. Joe Barton (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, complained, referring to a phrase that would trigger a price gouging prosecution.

Barton said today's high gasoline prices are the result of supply and demand and not price gouging. "Demand has gone up and supply has not gone up. ... and the price has gone up," said Barton.

The White House said the administration "strongly opposes" the bill and the president would be urged to veto it if it passes Congress.

It "would harm consumers, the very people the bill is touted to protect," said a White House statement to lawmakers. It said price gouging legislation would amount to "price controls and in some cases bring back long gas lines reminiscent of the 1970s."

Oil company lobbyists have argued that when there are tight markets and rising prices, a vague gouging definition would inhibit refiners and retailers from adding supplies for fear of being taken to court.

"Mom and Pop grocer and gasoline station owners can't wonder what every court is going to decide," said Rep. Roy Blunt (news, bio, voting record), R-Mo., the minority whip. He said the law would create "undue hardship for ... people trying to make a living."

But the bill's supporters argued that states can't combat energy price gouging, leaving motorists at the whim of arbitrary oil company pricing. Twenty-nine states currently have energy price gouging laws, but they vary in detail and under in terms of what conditions would trigger them.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: energy; gasoline; gasolineprices; gouging; oil
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To: Always Right
Here is a third data point from 2004 indicating rising gas prices that year around Memorial Day....

Another anecdote! Who'd have thunk it!

Here's where gasoline/petroleum prices are set:

http://bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/cfutures.html

With your keen observation that prices always increase before Memorial Day you could make a real killing, just like Hillary turned $1000 into $100,000 in ten months in the cattle futures market.

41 posted on 05/23/2007 2:25:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: FixitGuy
"BTW BP just announced another "oil leak in the Alaska pipeline and it will be shut down for repairs.

Isn't this the anniversary of last years Memorial weekend leak????

The leak was in March of 2006, not May.

42 posted on 05/23/2007 2:25:18 PM PDT by Trinity5 ("We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons..." - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And here is an article from 2005 about indicating rising gas prices in May of that year: Travelers will go for a 'spend' this summer

So there seems to have been a surge in gas prices during mid to late May of 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

43 posted on 05/23/2007 2:25:26 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Empireoftheatom48

Not In My BackYard


44 posted on 05/23/2007 2:27:48 PM PDT by anoldafvet (Calculating the average global temp. is like the average telephone number; both are meaningless)
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To: thackney
Great graph!
45 posted on 05/23/2007 2:28:28 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: Iscool
Anything that will stop these legalized robbers is fine with me...

Robbers? What exactly have they stolen from you?

46 posted on 05/23/2007 2:30:44 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: M203M4

LOL!


47 posted on 05/23/2007 2:32:09 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
OK how about this from the Department of Energy

In 2005, from mid-March to late-May prices surged from $1.90 to $2.25. In 2006, from $2.30 to $2.90. In 2007, from $2.40 to $3.30 (and still rising). We have seen prices rise from March 15 to May 30, 18%, 26%, and 37+% the last three years.

48 posted on 05/23/2007 2:35:51 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: thackney

The last four years there have been significant run ups in gas prices from mid-March to end of May of 18-40%.


49 posted on 05/23/2007 2:39:49 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: libertarianPA
The government needs to stay out of a capitalistic enterprise. They can’t get their own house in order and they want to go after private business? What a bunch of buffoons!
50 posted on 05/23/2007 2:43:59 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Soon to be Fredbacker1)
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To: Always Right
The last four years there have been significant run ups in gas prices from mid-March to end of May of 18-40%

I do not see your claim. Prices in 2004 and 2005 were falling the end of May.

51 posted on 05/23/2007 2:49:27 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Always Right

Your observation that gas consumption was going up over memorial day is a good one. Only two solutions for lower prices 1. lower consumption or 2. more production


52 posted on 05/23/2007 2:53:59 PM PDT by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: thackney

Crude and gas prices don’t go in lockstep. The chart I posted and the one you posted previously show what gas prices did.


53 posted on 05/23/2007 2:59:08 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: libertarianPA
House moves on surging oil prices

That's not the title I see at the article. Besides, oil prices are down significantly from recent (two year) highs..

54 posted on 05/23/2007 3:03:30 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BubbaBobTX
Your observation that gas consumption was going up over memorial day is a good one. Only two solutions for lower prices 1. lower consumption or 2. more production

Thanks, I did not think that statement would draw so much fire. I thought it had been obvious the last few years. Obviously the solution is not a government price controls. We do need to cut consumption and increase supply.

55 posted on 05/23/2007 3:07:00 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: libertarianPA

Just having one chamber of Congress pass this legislation seems to have had an instant effect in the midstate PA region...Rutter’s (notorious for having jacked priced 50 cents per gallon on September 11, 2001) dropped four cents since this morning. Still $3.05, but headed the right direction.


56 posted on 05/23/2007 3:07:21 PM PDT by lightman (If false accusation was rare it wouldn't be in the Ten Commandments!)
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To: libertarianPA

How about we go after grandstanding politicans for gouging us with higher taxes on everything, including gasoline?


57 posted on 05/23/2007 3:08:41 PM PDT by Argus
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To: libertarianPA

Ok.. when do we get to arrest and jail every one of these jackasses who voted for this??

They make FAR more per gallon of gas than the people who supply it!!


58 posted on 05/23/2007 3:09:03 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (The Republican Party's continued idiocy, proves the TV Series, Lost In Space, was a documentary.)
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To: libertarianPA

“Well, America wanted the politicians to do “anything” about gas prices... this is anything.”

Not true. You are thinking about the American media. I read the letters to the editor and opinion sections of many papers. Illegal immigration has been the number one topic for a while. (See how they listened on that) Gas prices wouldn’t even be in the top ten subjects.


59 posted on 05/23/2007 3:16:34 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: libertarianPA

drill, drill, drill,

build refineries, then build some more

refuse to allow wire transfers to Mexico unless they sell us their oil for $25 a barrel.


60 posted on 05/23/2007 3:29:53 PM PDT by Terpin (Missing: One very clever and insightful tagline. Reward for safe return!)
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