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House moves on surging oil prices
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 5/23/07 | H. JOSEF HEBERT

Posted on 05/23/2007 1:33:04 PM PDT by libertarianPA

WASHINGTON - The House, eager to do something about record high gasoline prices in advance of the Memorial Day weekend, voted narrowly Wednesday to approve stiff penalties for those found guilty of gasoline price gouging.

The bill directs the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department to go after oil companies, traders or retail operators if they take "unfair advantage" or charge "unconscionably excessive" prices for gasoline and other fuels.

The White House called the measure a form of price controls that could result in fuel shortages. It said President Bush would be urged to veto the legislation should it pass Congress.

The bill needed the approval of two-thirds of the members of the House because the leadership considered it under an expedited legislative process. Thus, the 284-141 vote was only one over the threshold for passage. A similar measure is being considered by the Senate.

The bill would for the first time create a federal law making energy price gouging illegal. It would cover not only gasoline, but also other fuels such as natural gas and heating oil.

Rep. Bart Stupak (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., its chief sponsor, in urging his colleagues to support the bill said the issue was whether "to side with Big Oil (or) ... side with consumers who are being ripped off at the gas pump."

But Stupak was forced to soften the bill so that he could get it passed by requiring a president to first declare an energy emergency before the anti-gouging law could be enforced. Oil-state Democrats had wanted such limits.

The bill calls for criminal penalties of up to $150 million for corporations and up to $2 million and a jail sentence of up to 10 years for individuals found to be engaged in price gouging.

Opponents said the legislation was too vague and amounts to price controls.

"I don't know what `unconscionably excessive' means," Rep. Joe Barton (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, complained, referring to a phrase that would trigger a price gouging prosecution.

Barton said today's high gasoline prices are the result of supply and demand and not price gouging. "Demand has gone up and supply has not gone up. ... and the price has gone up," said Barton.

The White House said the administration "strongly opposes" the bill and the president would be urged to veto it if it passes Congress.

It "would harm consumers, the very people the bill is touted to protect," said a White House statement to lawmakers. It said price gouging legislation would amount to "price controls and in some cases bring back long gas lines reminiscent of the 1970s."

Oil company lobbyists have argued that when there are tight markets and rising prices, a vague gouging definition would inhibit refiners and retailers from adding supplies for fear of being taken to court.

"Mom and Pop grocer and gasoline station owners can't wonder what every court is going to decide," said Rep. Roy Blunt (news, bio, voting record), R-Mo., the minority whip. He said the law would create "undue hardship for ... people trying to make a living."

But the bill's supporters argued that states can't combat energy price gouging, leaving motorists at the whim of arbitrary oil company pricing. Twenty-nine states currently have energy price gouging laws, but they vary in detail and under in terms of what conditions would trigger them.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: energy; gasoline; gasolineprices; gouging; oil
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To: libertarianPA

“This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer” Will Rogers


21 posted on 05/23/2007 2:04:03 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I don't see a Memorial Day "surge," do you?

Very educational chart, but how in the world could you possible see a Memorial Day surge on a chart that has 5 year increments. You would need to see weekly details in order to discern it.

22 posted on 05/23/2007 2:04:14 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: waverna
Seasonal changes are hard to spot.

If a Memorial day surge in gas prices happens every year, it should be easy to spot.

It it's hard to spot, it's probably because it doesn't exist.

Gas prices are set in the commodities futures market. Anybody who thinks the petroleum companies are gouging is free to participate in the plunder by buying or selling petroleum futures.

Hillary turned $1000 into $100,000 in ten months in the cattle futures market, after all.

blue line Hillary Clinton Futures Trades Detailed

23 posted on 05/23/2007 2:05:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: Always Right
You would need to see weekly details in order to discern it.

You're the one who made the assertion. An honest person wouldn't make a statement like that if he didn't have evidence. Where's your evidence?

24 posted on 05/23/2007 2:06:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: libertarianPA

We’re at $3.65 here in mid-Michigan. Even some of my normally rational, conservative friends are screaming that the govt. should do something.


25 posted on 05/23/2007 2:08:20 PM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: libertarianPA
Surging seems to be the fashion word of the day for the mainstream media, what happened to tsunami?
26 posted on 05/23/2007 2:09:32 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: loreldan
Price controls aren’t the answer, but more refineries and competition is.

There's lots of competition. Oil is produced in a world market. The problem with refineries is getting regulatory approval. Even if the regulatory agencies were to allow a new refinery, the NIMBY's locate near a proposed site will use the courts to slow down the process. People want nearby oil refineries about as much as they want a nearby nuclear generation plant. What's really needed are new refineries not located on the US gulf coast. We were lucky in 1995 that Hurricane Rita didn't strike the Houston ship channel just weeks after Katrina shut down the refineries near New Orleans. If that had happened there would have been much worse shortages.

27 posted on 05/23/2007 2:09:53 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Watcha doing interjecting ACTUAL FACTS into a political argument/discussion.....LOL...


28 posted on 05/23/2007 2:12:18 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: libertarianPA
"Mom and Pop grocer and gasoline station owners can't wonder what every court is going to decide,"

There are no Mom and Pop grocery and gas stations left...

There is no competition...You pay what I say, is the policy...

Anything that will stop these legalized robbers is fine with me...

29 posted on 05/23/2007 2:14:49 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: libertarianPA
Punish Gas Profiteers:

ABOLISH THE FEDERAL GAS TAX!

30 posted on 05/23/2007 2:15:07 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, ‘If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: Paleo Conservative

NIMBYS?


31 posted on 05/23/2007 2:15:08 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You're the one who made the assertion. An honest person wouldn't make a statement like that if he didn't have evidence. Where's your evidence?

I drove by the pump on the morning of May 15th and it was $3.15, by that afternoon it was $3.35. I drove by the pump this yesterday and it was $3.59. That's a surge. A very similar thing happened last year. I really don't have the data, but it does seem to be a yearly ritual.

32 posted on 05/23/2007 2:15:16 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
gas and oil reserves have been increasing

Gasoline stocks are increasing but still low.


33 posted on 05/23/2007 2:16:54 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: libertarianPA
Complaining to politicians about the price of gas is like Little Red Riding Hood complaining to the Big Bad Wolf because her grandmother is missing.

But you knew that.

34 posted on 05/23/2007 2:17:11 PM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Tsunami and Gravitas are vacationing together in Tahiti.


35 posted on 05/23/2007 2:19:13 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: FixitGuy
oil leak in the Alaska pipeline and it will be shut down for repairs

It was not the Alaska Pipeline and it is not an oil leak. It is a water leak at one of several gathering centers that feed the pipeline. The pipeline did not stop operating.

36 posted on 05/23/2007 2:19:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Here is a third data point from 2004 indicating rising gas prices that year around Memorial Day....

Memorial Day auto travel to rise 3.4%

37 posted on 05/23/2007 2:19:33 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I drove by the pump on the morning of May 15th and it was $3.15, by that afternoon it was $3.35. I drove by the pump this yesterday and it was $3.59. That's a surge. A very similar thing happened last year. I really don't have the data, but it does seem to be a yearly ritual.

You'd make a great global warming advocate: a couple of anecdotal observations and suddenly there's a scientific consensus!

;^)

38 posted on 05/23/2007 2:21:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: Always Right
You would need to see weekly details in order to discern it.

Here you go. You won't find your assumption like you expect.

U.S. Regular All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mg_rt_usw.htm

On a monthly basis, a summer run up is not very common.


39 posted on 05/23/2007 2:23:15 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Empireoftheatom48
NIMBYS?

Not In My Back Yard.

40 posted on 05/23/2007 2:23:24 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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