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"Republican Party Falling Apart"
The Post Chronicle ^ | May 22, 2007 | By Basil Harrington

Posted on 05/22/2007 9:29:44 AM PDT by SittinYonder

"The Republican Party is falling apart," said one insider to me recently. "The GOP has become the party of neoliberal corporate globalism, not the party of conservatism," said another. Perhaps election 2008 will be the last hurrah. Other than Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter, the GOP presidential candidates are a joke. The rest are all neoliberal, interventionist globalists.

Look how we've derailed..."

Iraq is a huge mistake, a neocon experiment in utopianism, and we are paying the price. Bush's foreign policy is not conservative. It is Wilsonian nation building. The transformation of the Middle East to liberal democracy is Jacobin, not conservative. And it is because of the neocon war machine in the Middle East that we are hated.

If we really want to end terrorism in the U.S., then we should completely disengage from the Middle East. We should (1) completely withdraw from the Middle East, (2) end foreign aid to all Middle Eastern countries, (3) deport all Muslims from the West, and (4) end all immigration from the third world.

Many fail to realize it, but terrorism is more an immigration issue than Middle Eastern issue. If Seung-Hui Ch? had not been allowed to immigrate hither, the Virginia Tech massacre would not have happened. Three of the terrorists recently nabbed in New Jersey (plotting to attack Ft. Dix) were illegal immigrants who entered the U.S. from Mexico. And almost all previous terrorists, including those on Sept. 11, were either legal or illegal third-world immigrants.

As Jean Raspail said in Camp of the Saints, "the greatest piece of conservative fiction ever written," there is a third-world invasion of the West taking place. We are under attack. And we can either make a stand against the third-world hordes, or we can watch the West crumble.

We must address the problem now. We need deportations, attrition, employer sanctions, and all immigration (legal and illegal) to end from the third world.

But many seem not to care. Many politicians and corporations are supporting this invasion. Why? Either for cheap votes or to drive down American wages.

Failure to address this invasion not only is a dereliction of duty, but it is a form of treason. And many of the presidential candidates are guilty of treason? Rudolph Giuliani, John McCain, Sam Brownback, Tommy Thompson, Mike Huckabee - and let's not forget Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards. Traitors, ever last one of them.

And then there's free trade, which is destroying our economy and undermining our sovereignty. But the neocons / neoliberals have their heads in the sand, wanting to take free trade to its logical conclusion in some perverse suicide pact.

The Democratic Party, which in the 19th century was the conservative party while the GOP was the left-wing party, betrayed the U.S. decades ago. And now the GOP is going the same globalist route? neoliberal wars, mass immigration to drive down American wages, and suicidal free trade pacts.

Do not stand for this nonsense!

If Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter does not get the GOP nomination, then vote third party. Refuse to support the neocon / neoliberal globalist machine. If the GOP continues down this path, it is doomed anyway and, hopefully, out of the ashes a true conservative party will arise, perhaps the Constitution Party or the America First Party.

Or perhaps a new party will form, hopefully one modeling itself after the British National Party, Front National, or Vlaams Belang - all conservative parties in Europe, and conservative in the true sense of the word: the conservation of Western man. Not the phony neocon nonsense we have in the U.S.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; elections; freetrade; globalism; gop; illegals; rnc; suicide; tancredo
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To: Rembrandt_fan
You wrote, “Refuse to support the neocon / neoliberal globalist machine.”

I've never in my life written those words.

121 posted on 05/22/2007 11:31:24 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Rembrandt_fan
"The word ‘conservative’ is a moving target with you guys, isn’t it?"L

Ok hate filed one, care to offer a definition? I've already posted (in this very thread) mine.

FYI, nice job of winning friends and very appealing recruiting rant (united by paranoia, barking mad, lunatic fringe) too. LOL.

122 posted on 05/22/2007 11:33:22 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Loathsome and despicable, all of you, like bugs squirming under a rock. I simply can’t properly convey the contempt I feel for your kind. Fortunately, those sharing your views constitute the barking mad, lunatic fringe, not the mainstream of the Republican Party. So by all means, form your own party, since those who share your views are such an embarrassment to mine.

You need to real quick find something in my posting history to support this crap. My views by and large are in line with Reagan's platform ... that's hardly barking mad, lunatic fringe.

And take Ron Paul with you.

I assume your problem with Paul is that he believes the government should be run according to the Constitution?

123 posted on 05/22/2007 11:35:55 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: eyespysomething; Rembrandt_fan
united by paranoia and antisemitism

eyespy ... just wanted you to see that I've been accused of being an anti-semite! LOL

124 posted on 05/22/2007 11:38:05 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder

Thanks for the interesting post.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation being posted by some regarding:

Isolationism: Actually, Libertarians are not isolationist. Most L-tarians support open borders and liberal free trade...hardly isolationist.

Free Trade: This is a classical liberal idea....taken to the extreme by GOPer free-traders. Actually, what Tancredo proposes, bi-lateral trade....is more beneficial to the US. It is suicidal to have a near trillion dollar trade deficit with Communist China (regardless what some Business-Socialist economists claim). Destroying American business for the sake of trade is nuts.

Iraq: No problem with being there, but when Bush started going Liberal-Globalist (worrying more about the feelings of Islamics instead of US forces) that is when things started sliding down. Bush’s lack of commitment to win is the problem with Iraq....not the being there. My version of “cut and run” would be to “cut the enemy up” and “run them down”. Lets stop pussy-footing around.


125 posted on 05/22/2007 11:38:26 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Republicans: Democrats With Jobs)
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To: true_blue_texican
If you vote third party, you’re voting Democrat.

BS.
If no candidate, or party, represents you anymore, what then?

Voting third party is the last refuge from scoundrels and career politicians that only want to stay in office but it is a refuge.

Whether you like it or not the two major partys are becoming closer and closer to being one party.
Are they there yet? Not quite.
Are they close enough to not really make a difference? Depends on who they choose as a candidate for President.

126 posted on 05/22/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: jpsb
“Tariffs also protect middle class American workers ...”

Most middle-class workers in the U.S. are employed in the service sector (e.g., education, government, health care) and do not compete with low-wage foreign workers producing imported manufacturing or agricultural goods.

127 posted on 05/22/2007 11:39:54 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: L98Fiero
I would love to flame this but you make a point.

LOL ... thanks!

128 posted on 05/22/2007 11:40:55 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder

I don’t think Iraq is a neocon imposition. I think it was the right thing to do. The generals have gone soft, I think, and the public is too impatient, prodded by a treasonous press. Even with all these hamstrings, I think we can stabilize Iraq and reduce our presence. But, not on a time table. Plus, we also have to do something about Iran. This is not Jacobin. It is not idealistic. It is the world we live in.


129 posted on 05/22/2007 11:43:17 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: jpsb
I could care less about winning friends with a crowd that thinks Ron Paul and the BNP are paragons of conservatism. They have it coming, and they’ll keep getting it from me and people like me. The Democrats have largely been suborned by rabid extremists. It won’t happen to Republicans without a fight.

About conservatism. Remember Buckley’s definition of conservatives as those who ‘stand athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who do...”?

Whatever conservatism is, it isn’t standing athwart history, yelling ‘Go back!’, particularly to a time and place eerily reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

130 posted on 05/22/2007 11:43:25 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: SittinYonder

He lost me at neocon.


131 posted on 05/22/2007 11:45:46 AM PDT by linn37 (Love your Phlebotomist)
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To: Rembrandt_fan
"Whatever conservatism is, it isn’t "

Well if we are going to define everything it isn't this will be a very long thread indeed. Persoanlly I think American Conservativism is loyality to the orginal intent of the Constitution.

132 posted on 05/22/2007 11:49:37 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: WashingtonSource
I don’t think Iraq is a neocon imposition. I think it was the right thing to do.

I agree. It went sour when we let Sadr live and arrested Marines instead.

133 posted on 05/22/2007 11:50:17 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: L98Fiero

“Where did we as a nation go wrong? We imported slaves. It will be our ruination”

It will be if we can’t get over white guilt and the idea that multiculturalism is a strength. Western culture didn’t happen by accident nor is it just only an “idea” as Mr “We are all bigots” Graham would have us believe. If the people themselves don’t make a difference then we are just widgets good only for shopping and working. A large part of all this illegal immigration push is strickly financial. They don’t give a damn about how it effects our culture only the dollar bill.


134 posted on 05/22/2007 11:52:05 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: jpsb

Paul, for years, has described himself as a Robert A. Taft, I, Republican. I don’t think he would compare himself to the recently failed OH governor who is also named “Taft”.


135 posted on 05/22/2007 11:52:10 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: linn37
He lost me at neocon.

Too bad. I don't endorse the author and know nothing about him, however I think some of his points are worthy of consideration and discussion. Maybe we'll get to read your thoughts on some of this on threads where the author refrains from using the word "neocon."

Until then ...

136 posted on 05/22/2007 11:52:11 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: grb
If we really want to end terrorism in the U.S., then we should completely disengage from the Middle East. We should (1) completely withdraw from the Middle East, (2) end foreign aid to all Middle Eastern countries, (3) deport all Muslims from the West, and (4) end all immigration from the third world.

Or maybe we should just move to another planet. That's as likely as this pipe dream.

137 posted on 05/22/2007 11:53:48 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: WhiteGuy
Bill Clinton was elected because Ross Perot received so many “3rd party” votes. Simple fact of history.

I don't think this analysis, though common, is necessarily true. BC understands the typical American voter better than most Republicans do: he "feels their pain," and they are too ignorant to see through his chicanery. They just knew to vote "D" to get rid of GHWB, whom they blamed for a "bad economy".

138 posted on 05/22/2007 11:55:23 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: jpsb

damn meant to hit preview not post. Anyway, by original intent, I do not mean rolling back the clock to the 1790’s, many amendments since then, but clearly the original intent t was small limited government with freedom for all law bidding adults. Seems to me the GOP has strayed so far off the reservation that it’s lost in the wilderness. Ron Paul may seem strange to those wandering in the desert, but Ron Paul, pimples and all is very much a real American Conservative, not a very good Bush Republican true, but conservative none the less.


139 posted on 05/22/2007 11:56:22 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Theodore R.

I don’t think this analysis, though common, is necessarily true.

I agree with you.


140 posted on 05/22/2007 11:57:18 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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