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The price of rejecting immigration reform 2007
Free Republic | may 22, 2007 | jpsb

Posted on 05/22/2007 7:05:06 AM PDT by jpsb

As one totally opposed to anything other than closing the border to illegal flows (people drugs, weapons, etc) and rewriting the insane LBJ immigration policies codified in 1965. It is incumbent on me to think about the almost certain result that doing so would incur.

Without the social safety value of migrating north, poor Mexicans would surely cause much trouble for the Mexican government. Perhaps even instituting a USA hostel Marxist Mexican government. Energy exports to the USA cut, trade cut, maybe even little border wars.

This is most likely the price to be payed for cutting off the Mexican safety value, I am willing to pay it, but all opposing comprehensive immigration reform should be aware that there will be a price and it could be a high one.


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1 posted on 05/22/2007 7:05:07 AM PDT by jpsb
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If we could truly stop illegal immigration and send the illegals home, it would cause severe problems south of the border, especially in Mexico. This would also be a good thing. You might have noticed that immigrants tend to be on the dark side. That corresponds to why there are few opportunities for them at home...amongst other things, of course.


2 posted on 05/22/2007 7:08:12 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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I think it’s time to plug that safety valve because quite frankly I’m not going to be threatened into keeping the border open so mexican marxists can come here.


3 posted on 05/22/2007 7:08:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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Personally, I think the mexican government is already hostile to the US. I sort of see your point, but the fact is that we cannot allow this to continue, and continue it will. And if this Charlie Foxtrot of a law is passed; more will come.

Enforcement, of current immigration laws across the board first.

If people want to come here, and become citizens, fine. But they can damn well wait in line like everyone else. If they just want to come here to work and send money back home, and reject becoming citizens, then they can stay the hell out.

4 posted on 05/22/2007 7:10:27 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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...Mexicans would surely cause much trouble for the Mexican government. Perhaps even instituting a USA hostel Marxist Mexican government.

As opposed to the current situation which is leading to a USA-hostile Marxist American government?

5 posted on 05/22/2007 7:10:39 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Fear is what got us to this fearful point. Damn the threats and intimidation. This is our country, and we’re going to keep it. Illegals out. Citizens in.


6 posted on 05/22/2007 7:11:00 AM PDT by ecomcon
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I don't think we'll see an energy cutoff from Mexico. They may not sell to us, but they'll have to sell it with $25+ billion dollars being sent back to Mexico being cut off. They may actually have to sell MORE oil into the market to make up for it.

But one thing we may see (and the one issue that I think most scares politicos) is inflation...we won't have slave labor keeping the labor market down, which will lead to wage inflation, and then higher prices to follow. I'm willing to do it to have an honest economy rather than one propped up by lawbreaking, but it will likely have some impact on us at home.

7 posted on 05/22/2007 7:11:42 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: cripplecreek
Seeing the Mexican oligarchy take a big hit would not brother me one bit. But I’d rather Mexican oil sent to the USA instead of China.
8 posted on 05/22/2007 7:11:49 AM PDT by jpsb
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Well, we can leave them in place and lose the west, as well as assuring the Democrats never lose another election. In Montana we have less than 1 million people. Imagine what even 250,000 illegals would do to the state. Screw Mexico!


9 posted on 05/22/2007 7:12:20 AM PDT by claudiustg (I curse you, Rudy of the Giuliani!)
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Perhaps even instituting a USA hostel...

The Mexicans can threaten me with flea-bag hostels all they want, I am not visiting their country, let alone staying in any "USA hostel" they may institute.

10 posted on 05/22/2007 7:12:41 AM PDT by Plutarch
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He’s never been a good speller.
11 posted on 05/22/2007 7:13:50 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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damn that mispelling slipped past me! Sorry bout that.


12 posted on 05/22/2007 7:14:01 AM PDT by jpsb
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So the same Mexicans, who if granted Amnesty will become Reagan Republicans, would become Marxists in Mexico - if not allowed to invade the US? Better Mexico become socialist than the US!


13 posted on 05/22/2007 7:14:02 AM PDT by drpix
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"So the same Mexicans, who if granted Amnesty will become Reagan Republicans, would become Marxists in Mexico"

Funny how that works ins't it?

14 posted on 05/22/2007 7:15:12 AM PDT by jpsb
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I am willing to pay the price.

We need to change our attitude about illegal immigration to one of rule of law, NOT 'respect for lawbreakers'.

We don't need to deport 10 million in one year. Deporting without secured borders would make no sense anyway.

1. Secure the border (walls/fences/surveillance)
2. Impose large fines on employers of illegals.
3. Gradually ramp up deportation.
4. Deduct the cost of deportation from our foreign aid to Mexico.
5. Continue deportation until most illegals are gone.

Remember, the cost of this bill is at least $2.5 trillion, we could probably secure the border and deport all illegals for a similar amount AND uphold the principle of rule-of-law.

15 posted on 05/22/2007 7:16:35 AM PDT by Swordfished
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So another words, we can't stop it, we have no right to a sovereign nation because citizens of another country might get angry at us, so lets just throw open the border put all illegals on welfare and support them in the manner they are not accustomed to and smile while embracing the destruction of our own country. Is that what you are saying?

Well hell's bells, we can't stop murder either, so lets legalize that too.

17 posted on 05/22/2007 7:18:43 AM PDT by asp1
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To: claudiustg
Well I am just letting yall know that when the debate gets serious and it’s close, the “we need to save Mexico to secure North America from marxism” card will be played. Best to prepare the counter agrument in advance.
18 posted on 05/22/2007 7:18:46 AM PDT by jpsb
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Just an observation:

I live in NE Ohio. Every time I leave my house for the store, gas station, park, etc.... no matter where I go I am every single time surprised at the numbers of Latinos ( I assume Mexican ) who I see absolutely everywhere and who do not speak English and who will not look me in the eye. Many are continually pedestrians on every street in this town and in places where there are no other pedestrians. I mean that this is a daily occurrence for me in the last year and a half and so noticeable that I remark upon it every time I am anywhere in town. I live in a small town and I cannot comprehend what they are doing to support themselves here. My town does not look like my town anymore.

19 posted on 05/22/2007 7:19:08 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the solders and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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Mexico would finally be forced to address it’s problems once the ability to ship it’s problems North was taken away.

Once the Wall is in place any problems in Mexico will impact us far less. Right now upheaval in Mexico would mean an immediate tidal wave of refugees in the many millions.


20 posted on 05/22/2007 7:19:26 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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