Posted on 05/21/2007 10:18:14 AM PDT by grundle
This guy will have to eat his words; in fact he should do it right now. Identical twins have identical DNA at birth, but it doesn't necessarily stay that way. From a 2005 article:
"A study published last month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America found that minute chemical changes occur to DNA as people age, and these alterations might enable scientists to distinguish between the genetic material of identical twins.
Christoph Plass, a professor at Ohio State University and a specialist in cancer genetics who participated in the international study, said yesterday that it could take years for researchers to develop a standardized way of detecting such differences. Courts would then have to accept the method as a forensic tool. But he predicted that one day forensic scientists will definitely be able to distinguish between the DNA of identical twins."
I ususally respect your opinions, but with parents like these, do you really think that college is in the child's future?
If I were judge, the first in time would win the right to pay child support. The alternative would be to do fertility tests, with the guy with the highest count winning.
honerable?
Identical twins are defined as twins conceived of a single egg that splits. "Mirroring" is not a separate category of twin, but a characteric. It's much more likely in identical twins.
Crap like this is why normal marriage is best for the kids, the couple, and for society. Kids NEED to know who is their father. Men need to know who their children are, because the bonding between a father and his NATURAL child is very strong.
It makes perfect sense to this selfish moron that complete strangers who have zip, zero, nada chance of being the father should pay instead of the guy who's a 99% DNA match with a 50% chance of being the sperm donor. Somehow I don't think he'd see it the same way if they were arguing ownership of a winning powerball ticket instead of a baby.
I think the guy is stuck. For a named man in a paternity case, the burden of proof is the man’s to prove he is not the father.
Reminds me of a song. By "The Offspring" ironically.
Now I'll relate, this little bit
That happens more than I'd like to admit
Late at night, she knocks on my door
She's drunk again and, looking to score
Now I know, I should say no, but
That's kind of hard when she's ready to go
I may be dumb, but I'm not a dweeb
I'm just a sucker with no self esteem
As well as her for the pig/slut/skank gene/award.
Lucky child.
but Raymon? he's bitter because twin Richard has a normal name lol
They will still be too similar to determine paternity.
Sluts are sluts.
You might think this would be a genealogical nightmare, but since the two brothers have identical ancestries it wouldn’t be much more than an inconvenience.
I don’t know if it is true, but I’ve read that the stats on false paternity are staggering. The article I am thinking of claimed that DNA testing has shown that many men who are assuming they are the father to their spouse’s children are wrong and have absolutely no idea.
These things may go unknown until a medical reason may force a genetic test, or a nasty divorce/custody battle is looming.
I’m not sure I agree about the idea of bonding with a “natural” child as opposed to a genetically unrelated one. Think of the Twigg/Mays familys. Neither had any clue the child they were rearing and loved was not their own.
I understand the need to know if the children are your own, but without genetic testing, how can a man be absolutely certain?
Not having adopted children, I couldn’t say, but it’d be interesting to note if there are any observed differences in the bonding between parents and their natural and adopted children. Anecdotally, I’d say that for the most part there isn’t, but how could you even measure this?
Anyway, for this story, the mom is a dope, the two men are stupid for sleeping with her not accepting that they may never know the truth and thus both have a financial obligation and the poor child is probably out of luck in the parental department, no matter what the truth is.
Tx for the info. IOW, the “identical” refers to the numerically identical egg.
What I’m unclear about is the qualifier that mirroring is much more likely in identical twins. If mirroring results from splitting, it seems to me that all mirror twins would necessarily be identical, no?
Hopefully, these guys will think a bit more carefully before hopping in the sack with the next girl.
If the genetic or epigenetic differences between aging twins affect germline cells, they can be passed on to children. Someone will have to find out the statistics of how often paternity can be determined by experiment.
That let's everyone off the hook and leaves the kid to suffer. Too cold for me.
If I were judge, the first in time would win the right to pay child support. The alternative would be to do fertility tests, with the guy with the highest count winning.
Thanks, I think.
Two points:
1. We can always hope the girl makes something of herself, and it would be a good thing if the jerks who'd put her in the position she starts from had to help her out.
2. I wouldn't spend a dime more on figuring it out...especially not public money.
Let the jerks start paying in full now - if they come to an accommodation between them or find some way to prove one or the other is the father, great, but until then, pay.
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