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Iraq is on the verge of collapse: report
Reuters ^ | Thu May 17, 2007 3:05PM | Ibon Villelabeitia

Posted on 05/17/2007 12:29:25 PM PDT by COUNTrecount

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's government has lost control of vast areas to powerful local factions and the country is on the verge of collapse and fragmentation, a leading British think-tank said on Thursday.

Chatham House also said there was not one civil war in Iraq, but "several civil wars" between rival communities, and accused Iraq's main neighbors -- Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey -- of having reasons "for seeing the instability there continue."

"It can be argued that Iraq is on the verge of being a failed state which faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation," it said in a report.

"The Iraqi government is not able to exert authority evenly or effectively over the country. Across huge swathes of territory, it is largely irrelevant in terms of ordering social, economic and political life."

The report also said that a U.S.-backed security crackdown in Baghdad launched in February has failed to reduce overall violence across the country, as insurgent groups have just shifted their activities outside the capital.

While cautioning that Iraq might not ultimately exist as a united entity, the 12-page report said a draft law to distribute Iraq's oil wealth equitably among Sunni Arabs, Shi'ites and ethnic Kurds was "the key to ensuring Iraq's survival."

"It will be oil revenue that keeps the state together rather than any attempt to build a coherent national project in the short term," the influential think-tank said.

The oil law, among benchmarks Washington has set Baghdad as critical steps to end sectarian violence, has yet to be approved by parliament. Ethnic Kurds, whose autonomous Kurdistan region holds large unproven reserves, oppose the draft's wording. Continued... Rather that one civil war pitting majority Shi'ites against Sunnis nationwide, the paper said Iraq's "cross-cutting conflicts" were driven by power struggles between sectarian, ethnic and tribal groups with differing regional, political and ideological goals as they compete for the country's resources.

The author of the report, Middle East expert Gareth Stansfield, said instability in Iraq was "not necessarily contrary to the interests" of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

"(Iraq) is now a theatre in which Iran can 'fight' the U.S. without doing so openly," Stansfield said, adding that Iran was the "most capable foreign power" in Iraq in terms of influencing future events, more so than the United States.

The rise to power of Iraq's long-oppressed Shi'ite majority has caused concern in Sunni Gulf states, particularly Saudi Arabia, which deeply distrusts non-Arab, Shi'ite Iran's influence in Iraq, Stansfield wrote.

Should a U.S. withdrawal herald the beginning of a full-scale Sunni-Shi'ite civil war in Iraq, Saudi Arabia "might not stand by," the paper said, "with the possibility of Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting each other through proxies in Iraq".


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KEYWORDS: appeaseniks; bs; defeatists; hemorrheuters; iraq; losers
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To: COUNTrecount
Iraq's government has lost control of vast areas to powerful local factions and the country is on the verge of collapse and fragmentation, a leading British think-tank said on Thursday. Chatham House also said there was not one civil war in Iraq, but "several civil wars" between rival communities, and accused Iraq's main neighbors -- Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey -- of having reasons "for seeing the instability there continue."

Hogwash what do they know? Unless it's reported by Hannity, Limbaugh, or Fox News by default it can't be true even though it probably is true and makes perfect sense

21 posted on 05/17/2007 12:55:22 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: COUNTrecount

With the amount of people murdered in the U.S., this think tank would probably say that we are in a civil war and quagmire.


22 posted on 05/17/2007 12:56:18 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: COUNTrecount

“(Al Quida in) Iraq on verge of collapse.”


23 posted on 05/17/2007 12:56:39 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: COUNTrecount
According to a Yahoo search, this Stansfield character is pushing to divide Iraq up anyway, so of course he is going to spout this crap, it fits his agenda.
24 posted on 05/17/2007 1:01:57 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: All

Everybody, repeat after me:

“Oh, it’s Reuters. Never mind.”


25 posted on 05/17/2007 1:02:23 PM PDT by kidd
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To: COUNTrecount

“Iraq is on the verge of collapse: report”

The Soviet Union is on the verge of collapse: report - a Reuters headline I don’t remember seeing in 1989.


26 posted on 05/17/2007 1:03:03 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: COUNTrecount

This is a Soros operation, Google Chatham House Soros.


27 posted on 05/17/2007 1:08:19 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: COUNTrecount

“Should a U.S. withdrawal herald the beginning of a full-scale Sunni-Shi’ite civil war in Iraq, Saudi Arabia “might not stand by,” the paper said, “with the possibility of Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting each other through proxies in Iraq”.”
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Ummm.....now that’s a nice scenario....let them kill each other off!


28 posted on 05/17/2007 1:10:24 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: COUNTrecount

Al-Reuters strikes again.


29 posted on 05/17/2007 1:14:15 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: COUNTrecount
South Korea was a "mess" after it was freed in 1945. Truman's administration abandoned it prematurely in 1949.

When North Korea invaded the South within a year, Truman sent troops to win back South Korea's freedom.

30,000 Americans died in 30 months because we had abandoned Korea too soon..

I hope Democrats don't remain stuck on stupid and abandon Iraq too soon.

30 posted on 05/17/2007 1:27:03 PM PDT by syriacus (Shock a lib today. Hand them a copy of the censorship rules imposed by Truman's govt in Jan., 1951.)
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To: syriacus

I guess any form of denying the obvious is considered treason-but Iraq is a lost cause.WE are getting our hats handed to us-in more ways than one-the thing is its impossible and dangerous to leave Iraq such a mess-but the congress and people of the US want it-so I just dont know that we can prevail much longer in Iraq.Oh,im just waiting for September when both dems/repubs demand a pullout.We are in a no win situation in that mud hole of Iraq.Anyone who denies this is blind to our political and military will-America is gone soft.We cant hande 3500 deaths -and this for our very existence to live as we please-If the terrorrists had planes and ships it wouldnt take much of a fight to get them to impose Islam on the soft American people.Why is there even an argument as to who is winning in Iraq when WE clearly are losing-and in all probability will completely lose by September of this year.What a joke !


31 posted on 05/17/2007 1:38:26 PM PDT by vicosal (God Bless George Bush...a steadfast principled leader)
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To: COUNTrecount

A “think tank” I never heard of. And we’re supposed to care why?


32 posted on 05/17/2007 1:46:12 PM PDT by f150sound
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To: roaddog727

The tinfoil, what about the tinfoil???


33 posted on 05/17/2007 1:49:20 PM PDT by coincheck (America, the most generous country on the planet.)
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To: pissant

Consider the source


34 posted on 05/17/2007 1:52:38 PM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: vicosal
  I guess any form of denying the obvious is considered treason-but Iraq is a lost cause.

And to think Bush didn't get a chance to

  1. reinstate the draft or
  2. impose the severest press censorship,
like Truman's Administration got to do during the Korean war.

The Censorship rules

Many more regulations are listed at the link above.
35 posted on 05/17/2007 1:53:04 PM PDT by syriacus (Shock a lib today. Hand them a copy of the censorship rules imposed by Truman's govt in Jan., 1951.)
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To: COUNTrecount
"with the possibility of Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting each other through proxies in Iraq"

Well let them have at it then, why are we standing in the way?

36 posted on 05/17/2007 1:56:18 PM PDT by yuta250
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To: the Real fifi

Anyone not familiar with Chatham House, it is an uber liberal UK think tank who have as much as objectivity on Iraq as Shumer has on Gonzales


37 posted on 05/17/2007 2:24:28 PM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: coincheck

“The tinfoil, what about the tinfoil???”

Damn..... you got me. :-)


38 posted on 05/17/2007 2:42:11 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: yuta250
ARTICLE: "with the possibility of Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting each other through proxies in Iraq"

YUTA250: Well let them have at it then, why are we standing in the way?

HUMINT: Energy Security


39 posted on 05/17/2007 10:12:36 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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To: Patrick1

Chatham House said France’s economy is doing well.

In the real world, it is catastrophic.

Chatham is a band of nuts. Don’t believe it.

For infos about iraq, read HERE :

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28345


40 posted on 05/18/2007 12:12:25 PM PDT by drzz
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