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Did comet start deadly cold snap?
Canada.com ^ | Monday, May 14, 2007 | Margaret Munro

Posted on 05/16/2007 3:00:33 PM PDT by Mike Darancette

An extraterrestrial impact 13,000 years ago wiped out mammoths and started a mini-ice age, scientists believe

Margaret Munro CanWest News Service

Monday, May 14, 2007

A comet or some other extraterrestrial object appears to have slammed into northern Canada 12,900 years ago and triggered an abrupt and catastrophic climate change that wiped out the mammoths and many other prehistoric creatures, according to a team of U.S. scientists.

Evidence of the ecological disaster exists in a thin layer of sediment that has been found from Alberta to New Mexico, say the researchers, whose work adds a dramatic and provocative twist to the decades-old debate about the demise of the mammoths, mastodons and sloths that once roamed North America.

The sediment layer contains high concentrations of iridium, fullerenes and other compounds associated with space rocks and impacts, says Luann Becker, a geologist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who has been analyzing the sediments.

"We have evidence for distribution of impact debris over several thousands of miles over the North American continent," says Ms. Becker, whose group will detail the findings at the American Geophysical Union meeting on May 24.

The sediment layer formed 12,900 years ago and coincides with both the extinction of the animals and the onset of a mini-ice age that lasted more than 1,000 years, say Ms. Becker and her colleagues from several U.S. universities and research labs. They say they are increasingly convinced the impact, extinction and cold snap are all related.

According to their scenario, a comet or large meteoroid generated a shock wave and threw massive amounts of debris, heat and gas into the atmosphere. This set off wildfires that raced across grasslands in southern North America, depriving the mammoths and other grazing animals of food.

The impact and heat also destabilized the ice sheet that blanketed Canada at the time, creating a flood of melt water that poured into the North Atlantic, according to their theory. The pulse of fresh water then shut down the ocean currents carrying heat from the tropics to the Northern Hemisphere, leading to an abrupt cooling. The resulting "mini-ice age" in the Northern Hemisphere, known as the Younger Dryas, lasted more than a thousand years.

Until now one of the leading explanations for the disappearance of the mammoths and other animals is that they were hunted to extinction by the people who arrived in North America from Asia at least 13,000 years ago.

But Ms. Becker and her colleagues doubt there could have been enough people to drive the creatures to extinction with spears. "It would have been a real challenge to slaughter all the animals," she says.

The leading explanation for the mini-ice age has been that melt water slowly built up behind the ice dams as the Earth warmed at the end of the last ice age and then suddenly burst, sending fresh water pouring into the North Atlantic.

Skeptics are not convinced an extraterrestrial impact explains either the disappearance of the animals or the mini-ice age, let alone both events.

Climatologist Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria says the notion that an extraterrestrial impact caused the Younger Dryas "requires an extraordinarily huge leap of faith." He says there were many climate swings during the last glacial cycle; the mini-ice age was simply the last of them and does not require an extraterrestrial explanation.

Geophysicist Jerry Mitrovica at the University of Toronto is also skeptical. "I'll wait to see the published papers," says Mitrovica, who has studied how the melting ice helped trigger the miniice age.

While the idea of a comet impact may seem far-fetched, Mr. Mitrovica notes that it took almost a decade before scientists accepted geologist Walter Alvarez's evidence that the iridiumrich layer he found pointed to the asteroid impact that killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

Ms. Becker says the details of their findings will likely be published in the science journals this summer. Meantime, she and her colleagues are expecting a "spirited" debate at next week's AGU meeting.

She says the concentration of the iridium in the sediment layer dating back to 12,900 years is several times higher than normal. It also contains compounds called "fullerenes" with extraterrestrial gases in them, as well as glasslike carbons that require extraordinarily high temperatures to form. "It's a very discrete, well-defined layer," she says.

As for the crater created by the impact, the scientists say it would have formed on the kilometres-thick ice that covered Canada at the time and melted away with the ice.


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To: blam
No doubt, but they'd been dragging stuff with them, and they necessarily crossed with females.

I tend to agree with the thesis presented on TV that they took their small boat with them if only to provide shelter against the wind.

41 posted on 05/16/2007 7:45:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"I tend to agree with the thesis presented on TV that they took their small boat with them if only to provide shelter against the wind."

Yes, I would have too. I wonder if we'll find these folks in the DNA somewhere up there?

42 posted on 05/16/2007 9:54:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: rahbert
whats an “extraterrestrial gas”?

That's what you get after visiting an extraterrestrial Taco Bell.
43 posted on 05/16/2007 10:03:46 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


44 posted on 05/16/2007 10:04:16 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: chopperman

yup , .. ( a better quip soon )


45 posted on 05/16/2007 10:11:57 PM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: muawiyah
Makes sense to me.

There is documented evidence of tremendous icedams breaking in the scablands of Washington State and in the Great lakes, sending water down the Columbia Gorge and the Mississippi River, respectively.

I hadn't heard of the Antarctic Meltdown, but that also could account for evidence of 1000 foot waves throughout the world.

46 posted on 05/16/2007 11:09:39 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: colorado tanker
Global warming and cooling has a very set cycle, for a very specific set of reasons...nothing of which has to do with Al Gore, meteors, etc.

Look up "Milutin Milankovich", astrophysicist, at the NASA website. Read all about his research, and how over 50 years of collected data supports it.

And then laugh your ass off the next time someone starts fretting about this stuff or screaming about SUVs.

47 posted on 05/16/2007 11:21:53 PM PDT by WriterInTX
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To: blam
Tunguska.

Not much in the way of fires:
The transient heat flash from the fireball was felt by the witnesses at Vanavara, and apparently within about 30 km it was strong enough to ignite small temporary fires in the forest and singe tree bark. From: 1908 SIBERIA EXPLOSION: Reconstructing an Asteroid Impact from ...

48 posted on 05/17/2007 2:38:59 AM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: Fraxinus
Tunguska.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The evidence suggets that the Tunguska object exploded before it impacted the ground, or the effect on the surface itself would have been much more severe, as it was 12,900 years ago in Canada.

They are not even sure it was a meteor in the classic sense, some say it was a large ball of plasma energy.

49 posted on 05/17/2007 3:59:56 AM PDT by Candor7
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine in
the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West,
Simon Warwick-Smith


50 posted on 05/17/2007 5:00:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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Climatologist Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria says the notion that an extraterrestrial impact caused the Younger Dryas "requires an extraordinarily huge leap of faith." He says there were many climate swings during the last glacial cycle; the mini-ice age was simply the last of them and does not require an extraterrestrial explanation.
Actually, he's dead wrong.
51 posted on 05/17/2007 5:02:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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52 posted on 05/17/2007 5:02:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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53 posted on 05/17/2007 5:04:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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To: Fraxinus
Question - what recorded blast started wildfires? Every high temperature blast, that I have seen record of, cooked (sometimes to charcoal) things exposed to them, yet I see no references to fire resulting from them.
:') The flash from a nuke starts fires; such large impacts release similar amounts of energy, and will indeed start fires. Also, the ejecta from the crater are hot, and where they land they can start fires. Massive fires resulted from the Chicxulub impact at the K-T boundary.
54 posted on 05/17/2007 5:09:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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To: happygrl
It also accounts for the Cheetah. Today's crop is so genetically identical they must have been the offspring of a single male and female about 10,000 years ago.

One analyst suggested it's almost as though a female gave birth to cubs deep in a den while all the world above was destroyed along with the Cheetahs running around. A massive widespread tsunami would do the trick every single time (provided these animals preferred very flat alluvial plains for their habitat).

55 posted on 05/17/2007 5:45:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

And that he is ~ wrong, wrong, wrong ~ the Lesser Dryas affected North America (almost exclusively) ~ and interrupted the normal ice cap meltdown cycle that would otherwise have happened.


56 posted on 05/17/2007 5:48:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Question Liberal Authority; Mike Darancette; Dilbert San Diego
How you fellows can joke about this is beyond me.

It is obvious to any sensitive human that Women, Children, Members of Minority Groups, and the Gay and Lesbian Community suffered the most when Halliburton's shoddily constructed ice dam let go without warning.

If Hillary is not elected, this could easily reoccur, driving gasoline prices beyond the ability of illegal aliens to pay.

This just in: Giuliani Abhors Ice Dams
But cannot interfere with a Woman's Right to build one.

57 posted on 05/17/2007 6:05:53 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Crazies to my left. Wimps to my right. BTW, Muslims ain't "Immigrants." They's Colonists.)
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To: blam
does anyone listen to me

I've been listening to you for that whole time. You are one of the few remaining islands of sanity. Please continue.

58 posted on 05/17/2007 6:37:50 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov. 5, 1979.)
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To: happygrl; RightWhale
"I hadn't heard of the Antarctic Meltdown, but that also could account for evidence of 1000 foot waves throughout the world."

I've read that when the fresh water ice dam broke at Hudson bay that the water rushed out then the humungus ice sheet covering the lake broke in half and it too rushed into Hudson Bay causing outrageous tsunamis. The water level worldwide was raised by a foot overnight.

59 posted on 05/17/2007 7:36:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Al gore knows nothing first hand. He relies on Chicken Little to tell him all things bearing on science.


60 posted on 05/17/2007 7:52:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 Positive carbon emitter)
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