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Native American DNA Found In UK
BBC ^ | 4-5-2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 2:28:21 PM PDT by blam

Native American DNA found in UK

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

Doreen (left) with daughter Rebecca and granddaughter Anais

DNA testing has uncovered British descendents of Native Americans brought to the UK centuries ago as slaves, translators or tribal representatives.

Genetic analysis turned up two white British women with a DNA signature characteristic of American Indians.

An Oxford scientist said it was extremely unusual to find these DNA lineages in Britons with no previous knowledge of Native American ancestry.

Indigenous Americans were brought over to the UK as early as the 1500s.

Many were brought over as curiosities; but others travelled here in delegations during the 18th Century to petition the British imperial government over trade or protection from other tribes.

Experts say it is probable that some stayed in Britain and married into local communities.

Doreen Isherwood, 64, from Putney, and Anne Hall, 53, of Huddersfield, only found out about their New World heritage after paying for commercial DNA ancestry tests.

Mrs Isherwood told BBC News: "I was expecting the results to say I belonged to one of the common European tribes, but when I got them back, my first thought was that they were a mistake.

"It rocked me completely. It made think: who am I?"

Ancestral home

The chartered physiotherapist studied for a degree at the University of North Carolina, but had no idea she possessed Native American ancestors. She said she came from a long line of Lancashire cotton weavers.

Raleigh brought Indians from the Jamestown area to England

Mrs Isherwood added that she was "immensely proud" of her newfound heritage, which has renewed a long-standing interest in Native American culture.

Anne Hall, who works as a private educational tutor, commented: "I was thrilled to bits. It was a very pleasant surprise. To have Native American blood is very exotic."

She said she now aimed to investigate her family history in an attempt to track down the source of her rare genetic lineage.

Mrs Isherwood says her American antecedent must have arrived in Britain in the 18th or 17th Centuries. She has traced her maternal ancestors back to 1798 and has found no sign of New World progenitors.

Maternal clans

The tests taken by both women were based on analysis of DNA inside the "powerhouses" of our cells: the mitochondria.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed down from mother to daughter more or less unchanged; but changes, or mutations, accumulate in the DNA sequence over successive generations.

Pocahontas was the daughter of a Native American chief

Scientists can use these changes to classify mtDNAs into broad types (called haplogroups) which, to some extent, reflect a person's geographical origin.

Mrs Isherwood and Mrs Hall possessed haplogroups characteristic of the indigenous people of the Americas, which are referred to as A and C.

"It's very unusual. Most of the people we test belong to one of the European maternal clans," said Professor Bryan Sykes, whose company Oxford Ancestors carried out the tests for Doreen and Anne.

Professor Sykes, also a professor of human genetics at the University of Oxford, said: "There are matches between [Doreen and Anne] and particular Native American tribes, but that doesn't necessarily mean those are the tribes their ancestors came from."

Trickle of immigrants

This month marks the 400th anniversary of Jamestown, the first permanent English-speaking settlement in North America.

Alden Vaughan, a professor emeritus at Columbia University, in New York, has written a book on American Indians in Britain. He said indigenous peoples from the New World began arriving in Britain as early as the sixteenth century.

"It started earlier than Jamestown. A number were brought over through the 1500s, mainly as curiosities," he told BBC News. Others were taken to Britain to learn English and go back to the colonies as translators.

"Sir Walter Raleigh brought back several individuals from the Jamestown area and from the Orinoco valley. Pocahontas went to England in 1616 and died there the next year.

"She was accompanied by several of her tribal associates. Some of them stayed in England for several years. I don't know of any marriages or even relationships between those women and Englishmen, but it is certainly possible.

"Later in the 17th Century, Native American slaves were brought over. I don't know much about them, because all the evidence I have are ads in London newspapers for runaway bond-servants, described as being Indians."


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KEYWORDS: americans; dna; godsgravesglyphs; native; uk
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To: blam
My question: How did a Skolt Sa'ami become a south Alabama farm girl?
The more testing which takes place, the more DNA will shake out, and be reclassified. Either that, or you had some Skolt Salami on a sandwich just before you swabbed your cheek. ;')
61 posted on 05/06/2007 1:19:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, May 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam.

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62 posted on 05/06/2007 1:22:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, May 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Sir Walter Raleigh brought back several individuals from the Jamestown area and from the Orinoco valley.

Talk about a stranger in a strange land! It calls to mind the Indian brought to America by the son of one of the missionaries killed by that tribe in The End of the Spear. He was amazed at how fat everyone was, how much food there was everywhere, and how easy it was to get. He said that the way was to go into the store, load up the carts, and then pass by the people in the checkout lines. He said they wouldn't look at you first but if you kept looking at them and smiling, they'd eventually look at you and return the smile and then let you leave with the food. The missionary's son said he told him that it was a bit more than that, that he had to give them his credit card and that the Indian said, "Yes, but they gave it back to you." And this reminds me of hearing one African woman I know telling another what happened when she got her LINK card replaced. She said the people caused the spirit in the old card to move into the new one. This is the same woman who kept a key on a string around her toddler's neck. Someone asked her if that's how she kept a spare on hand. She said it was to keep his throat open so he wouldn't stop breathing.
63 posted on 05/06/2007 5:32:59 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: WildcatClan
My maternal grandmother, Dora Launa Smith. She died just before I was born, in 1942. My mother lost contact with much of the family, and I never could find all the data I would like to have.
64 posted on 05/06/2007 6:58:11 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: EternalVigilance

Try going to this website
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pocahontas/


65 posted on 05/06/2007 7:00:41 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: ops33

If the stories are true, the children came before her marriage to John Rolfe. So, Peregrine would not be part of those lines. Thank you, though.


66 posted on 05/06/2007 7:08:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Dumpster Baby

LOL!!!


67 posted on 05/06/2007 7:10:59 AM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: Ieatfrijoles

Forget that, she should come over here and demand her share of some tribes casino profits.....


68 posted on 05/06/2007 7:18:54 AM PDT by machman
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To: fish hawk

Good news! You could be heir to the English Throne. No, not the Queen’s Throne. I mean the Throne down at Paddy’s Pub...


69 posted on 05/06/2007 7:24:58 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: Fiddlstix
"I wonder if you're related to this guy?"

Probably.

70 posted on 05/06/2007 7:26:43 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
"...you had some Skolt Salami on a sandwich just before you swabbed your cheek. ;')"

LOL. They explain how to do it so that doesn't occur.

71 posted on 05/06/2007 7:33:25 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam; Sam Cree

National Geographic Genographic Project https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html
uses FamilyTreeDNA to do their test. They are identical. So either test is fine.

However, National Geographic is looking more for deep ancestry roots, a sort of where are we from question, while FamilyTreeDNA is more for amateur genealogist tracing their family tree. Also, FTDNA has the surname groups, which as in the case of LAMB, helps you link up with others. There is a minor discount if you use a surname group.

Confused? Watch the videos http://www.familytreedna.com/videoaudio.html


72 posted on 05/06/2007 7:35:37 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Okay thanks.

I turned the FamilyTreeDNA 'stuff' over to my sister. I'm more interested in the bigger worldwide 'humankind' picture being done by NG/IBM.

73 posted on 05/06/2007 8:41:38 AM PDT by blam
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To: tubebender
I am Royalty already. Prince Lightfoot of Stanford University was my uncle.
74 posted on 05/06/2007 9:25:03 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

I am watching a show on discovery health right now about fused zygotes who develop into one person who is then her own twin.
The DNA tests may reveal that a woman is not the mother of her own children, which is because the twin’s DNA was passed on instead. The condition is called chimerism. It is so weird.


75 posted on 05/06/2007 2:46:37 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: ValerieTexas
Thanks, I've seen that...very, very strange. A woman is told that the children she birthed are no relation to her.

Chimeras

76 posted on 05/06/2007 3:05:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: ValerieTexas

A really dumb daughter had to sit her really dumb father down and tell him she had gotten pregnant though she wasn’t married. Her father shook his head sadly, then brightened and looked up — “are you sure it’s yours?”

[old joke rimshot!]


77 posted on 05/06/2007 3:06:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 6, 2007.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Too bad they didn’t steal more of our genes, they would be better off today! Imagine, a Britain with Tsalagi brains running everything!

Steal? LOL! I'd bet on donation... (8^D)

78 posted on 05/06/2007 3:10:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Jessarah; blam

A Puerto Rico woman claims that she is an alien-human hybrid — and her DNA proves it!
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/index.php?tag=dna


79 posted on 05/06/2007 3:41:24 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: blam
Could have been brought over by Vikings. Could have been a Scraeling who long ago went too far out in his kayak and ended up on the shores of the UK.
80 posted on 05/06/2007 3:48:51 PM PDT by fso301
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