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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: sevenbak

Mrs. Dobson (National Day of Pray) would not permit the Mormons to pray. Now that’s pretty darn pitiful.

One time my husband was in a prayer circle at the California Republican Assembly and when it was his turn to pray, they passed him over.

How sad.


341 posted on 05/04/2007 9:27:18 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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To: TheBattman

“the importance of the family, love of country, pro-life, and generally most practicing Mormons are very conservative”

I appreciate your saying that. Thank you.


342 posted on 05/04/2007 9:31:23 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“This is the year 2007”

Are you saying the life and writings of Joseph Smith are too far removed to be assailable in their detail (such as the Kirtland Banks scam)? That would be absurd; for example the daily life and times of Thomas Jefferson are not so far removed that we don’t often make judgments about his peccadilloes and their impact on current law.


343 posted on 05/04/2007 9:32:58 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: needlenose_neely

“The Mormon holy underwear is for a temple ceremony.”

I believe you are to wear them daily if you get to be a uppity up. At least that’s what the Temple Mormon I was a partner with told me. I am about to turn him in for tax evasion.


344 posted on 05/04/2007 9:35:49 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: greyfoxx39
That doesn't give you pause?

It doesn't give me pause at all. President Bush put Michael Leavitt (a Mormon) in his cabinet in charge of the biggest allotment of the federal budget. Do you honestly think he's funneling part of those funds to the LDS Church because of an oath he took to consecrate and sacrifice?

Puuleeeeeease!!!!

Watch out all you baby boomers, Mike Leavitt is goign to send your SS checks to Salt Lake....

345 posted on 05/04/2007 9:39:05 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: colorado tanker
Of course Romney "flunks historic Christianity"

He flunks orthodox Christianity as it exists today, but certainly not early historic Christianity.

DU, care to come out and play?

346 posted on 05/04/2007 9:44:40 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: colorado tanker; DelphiUser
Of course Romney "flunks historic Christianity"

He flunks orthodox Christianity as it exists today, but certainly not early historic Christianity.

DU, care to come out and play?

347 posted on 05/04/2007 9:45:41 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: greyfoxx39
I'm all for mormon forest rangers, federal marshals, secret service agents, and even old Orin, since he can't do anything unilaterally.

Please see post about Health and Human Services Sec. Mike Leavitt, biggest budget office on the Government. You are talking about money after all, so put your money where you mouth is.

Also, here is a quick list of Mormon politicians, past and present:

http://famousmormons.net/pol.html

348 posted on 05/04/2007 9:49:31 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: Saundra Duffy
How do you know what Mitt Romney THINKS? I don’t think he has any ill feelings toward anyone, except maybe the jihadists.

Well, he did say last night that OBL would die!

349 posted on 05/04/2007 9:54:28 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: Colofornian

“You can reform Judaism, but you can’t just dessimate it and recast it so that you can no longer recognize it upon reading the Old Testament! When a presidential candidate believes that me, Joe Voter, is an apostate of my faith, I not only don’t apologize for being “riled up” over that false assertion, but it gets my gall that so many evangelicals, Protestants and Catholics can just lay there, sleepy-eyed, and conclude, “More abuse! Fire away! (I’ll vote for you, anyway).””


350 posted on 05/04/2007 9:58:51 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Saundra Duffy

Yeah, I sent you FReepmail explaining it. At least I think it sent...(just wanted to make sure you weren’t offended) :)


351 posted on 05/04/2007 10:01:42 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (FReepmail me to join the FR Idaho Ping List.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
How do you know what Mitt Romney THINKS? I don’t think he has any ill feelings toward anyone, except maybe the jihadists.

Pull out your Pearl of Great Price...Joseph Smith - History, and go down to verse 19:

"I was answered that I must join none of them [churches], for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt."

This is LDS "scripture" of the First Vision. This is the foundational basis of the LDS faith.

Are you telling me that Mitt denies this? He doesn't believe this account of the First Vision?

352 posted on 05/04/2007 10:08:35 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: FastCoyote
When a presidential candidate believes that me, Joe Voter, is an apostate of my faith, I not only don’t apologize for being “riled up” over that false assertion, but it gets my gall that so many evangelicals, Protestants and Catholics can just lay there, sleepy-eyed, and conclude, “More abuse! Fire away! (I’ll vote for you, anyway).””

Mitt can believe anything he wants to about you (but why would he bother), but you would never know it unless he said so.

I have my own opinions about your posting history on this and other Mormon related threads, but you can't possible fathom what thoughts about you are going through my mind. ;-)

353 posted on 05/04/2007 10:09:03 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Mrs. Dobson (National Day of Pray) would not permit the Mormons to pray. Now that’s pretty darn pitiful. One time my husband was in a prayer circle at the California Republican Assembly and when it was his turn to pray, they passed him over. How sad.

(1) Well, if they were as one group praying directly to Jesus, then perhaps out of sensitivity for your husband, they didn't want to make him feel uncomfortable. [LDS doctrine being that LDS leaders say Mormons should only pray to Heavenly Father in Jesus' name, not directly to Jesus himself]

(2) Ensign Magazine, the LDS mag, has already said that LDS worship another God than do Christians. So, that being the case, what's wrong with Christians saying the same thing? (That they pray to another Jesus?) 2 Cor. 11:4 says there is "another Jesus"

(3) Finally, let me ask you, would you draw the line at letting anybody lead your group in prayer? Would you let a Scientologist, or a Moonie lead your group in prayer? Bottom line is, if you set boundaries yourself for who you would let lead your family, your small group, etc. in prayer, then why do you balk when you see others do it?

354 posted on 05/04/2007 10:17:19 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Do you believe that all other Churches of Christian leaning are equally of God? Lutherans, Baptists, Catholics, Presbyterian, Unitarian, etc, etc. Are all these denominations "of one Lord, one faith, one Baptism?" (Ephesians 4:5)

Are all "traditional" Christian Churches the same to God in your opinion?

355 posted on 05/04/2007 10:19:57 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: Colofornian

I have prayed my head off with people of other faiths - holding hands yet. For God’s sake!!

I posted a prayer request on FR when my husband was having his cancer battle. I welcomed all the FReeper prayers and I did not pick and choose.

I guess you wouldn’t want me praying for you.


356 posted on 05/04/2007 10:20:30 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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To: Colofornian; Saundra Duffy
would you draw the line at letting anybody lead your group in prayer? Would you let a Scientologist, or a Moonie lead your group in prayer? Bottom line is, if you set boundaries yourself for who you would let lead your family, your small group, etc. in prayer, then why do you balk when you see others do it?

This sounded like a governmet meeting prayer. I spend a lot of time at the Utah Capital during the legislative session. I can't tell you how many times I have seen various denominational leaders and congregants lead those meetings in prayer. It is with reverence and respect that they are all treated.

357 posted on 05/04/2007 10:24:18 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: sevenbak

“Mitt can believe anything he wants to about you (but why would he bother),”

That’s right, because he’s gonna be a GOD! So he doesn’t have to care.

Now, if I claim I am going to be a God, and don’t give a horse’s patoot what you think, will you vote for me for president?

“I have my own opinions about your posting history on this and other Mormon related threads, but you can’t possible fathom what thoughts about you are going through my mind. ;-)”

Sure I can, you hate my guts.

But don’t hate me for bringing up magic underwear, the Whitehorse Prophecy, Kirtland Bank $3 dollar bills signed by Joseph Smith, crystal gazing, masonic secret handshakes, baptizing the dead, Kolob, Jewish American Indians, secret rites, and a hundred other bizarre doings. It isn’t like I invented that stuff, that’s the history and beliefs of current Mormons. I don’t have to make them look foolish, they are doing that plenty well on their own - you are just mad that I’m pointing out the obvious.

Now is about when you call me a bigot. And I sure am - for example I am bigoted against people who believe 2 + 2 = 5 (my how they scream at me for calling them idiots). You will no doubt call me bigoted for saying anyone who follows a religion based on Egyptian hieroglyphic readings and the prophecy of a crystal gazer don’t have their noggins tied on straight. I will leave it up to you to decide how much sleep I will lose over that defamation of my character.

You know, in all these threads many have assailed my character, but damn few have even tried to say what I was writing about LDS religious beliefs wasn’t founded on Mormon doctrine or direct experience with Mormons. Well, if I am not a liar, then perhaps what stirs up the hornet’s nest is that I strike too near the truth of Mormon behavior.


358 posted on 05/04/2007 10:28:27 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Colofornian

“Finally, let me ask you, would you draw the line at letting anybody lead your group in prayer?”

I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I believe Heavenly Father hears my prayers and we always pray “In the Name of Jesus Christ”.

I have prayed for FReepers and they have prayed for me.


359 posted on 05/04/2007 10:29:00 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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To: sevenbak
Mitt can believe anything he wants to about you (but why would he bother), but you would never know it unless he said so.

What? (Ya think LDS only practice this deep, hushed, inwardly esoteric kind of spirituality?)

WHISPERED: [I'll help ya out...it's...it's called a public "profession of faith." And, believe it or not, professions of faith tend not to be tucked away on chicken scratch deep inside someone's soul. (As a matter of fact, I would say that the word "testimony." has probably been on the tip of somebody's tongue if you were to check w/your fellow ward & stake folks)]

Let me give you an example: The "testimony" might include something to the effect that "I believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God."

And of course, Joseph's johnny-come-lately description (written years after the BoM) of his first spiritual encounter with unnamed "personages" is the foundation for any Mormon's profession of faith. Pull out your Pearl of Great Price...Joseph Smith - History, and go down to verse 19:

"I was answered that I must join none of them [churches], for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt."

There ya go: LDS "scripture" of the First Vision. Now, do you think Mitt denies this revelation from Joseph Smith? Are you hinting to anyone here that Mitt's taken his pen and drawn a line thru his Pearl of Great Price?

360 posted on 05/04/2007 10:29:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
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