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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: MHGinTN

yes, in three separate states.


2,541 posted on 05/15/2007 4:25:59 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo
All three 'separate' states (they really are not the only possible states, scientifically, but that's grist for another discussion) are still manifestations of H2O, not H2SO4, not CO2
2,542 posted on 05/15/2007 4:30:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: George W. Bush; DelphiUser; Californian
I can't believe you guys flogged this thread to 2500 posts.

I'm just trying to get Californian to tell me what church he goes to. LOL.

2,543 posted on 05/15/2007 4:30:39 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: tantiboh

“Never claimed infallible, just a prophet.”

If he is fallible, especially in translating the BOM, then your religion is toast.


2,544 posted on 05/15/2007 4:31:01 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: MHGinTN

Yes, and they are all God. But they are three different personages. Are we disagreeing here?
Or are you saying that Jesus prays to himself?


2,545 posted on 05/15/2007 4:32:19 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo

Have a pleasant evening contending.


2,546 posted on 05/15/2007 4:33:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: FastCoyote; tantiboh
I don’t believe tantiboh said he was fallible in translating the Book of Mormon. Where did you read that? Moses was chastened by the Lord for messing up from time to time. Does that mean he was not a prophet? Hardly.
2,547 posted on 05/15/2007 4:34:21 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: MHGinTN

Cheers.


2,548 posted on 05/15/2007 4:35:24 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Truth-Miner
Sure you knew that I knew that you knew that I knew that you would have a “take the wind out of my joke” come back like that.

You might be dense but not that dense.

Lets' leave my mass as far out of this as we can, just because I have my own satelites is no reason to stare!
2,549 posted on 05/15/2007 4:38:21 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DanielLongo
"no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith" Could you please include the entire paragraph. It is quite short.

Here goes:

"If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again once again on the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1)

The above also counters Christ's own words: "...I [Jesus Christ, not some "organizer" named Joe Smith] will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt 16:18)

Whatever church Jesus Christ said he was building there, it wasn't going to be a shabby structure, which the LDS directly accuse Jesus of building. It wasn't going to "go to pot" in 300+ years, like the LDS commonly accuse Jesus of doing. In fact, the force of the future tense from this passage depicts a mighty, strong church--and one so sustained by an Almighty, strong Christ. In fact, Rev. 20:8-9 says this Church will never be overthrown.

Furthermore, LDS label Paul as a false prophet when Paul told the Ephesians: "Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.." (Eph. 3:21)

Any Lds here care to point out exactly how it is that Paul falsely prophesied by mentioning which "age" that the church failed to bring glory to God? How can there "be glory in the church...throughout all ages" if it's a total apostasy? Exactly what glory was brought to God by the church in the years 400 to 1800 if the current writers defaming the entire Christian church are right?

Furthermore, LDS label the Holy Spirit a liar when the Spirit prophesied that the apostasy would be partial: "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, thaqt in the latter times some shall depart from the faith..." (1 Tim. 4:1)

Why is that the Holy Spirit speaks so "expressly" about this matter, yet LDS are so hostile to what He has to say?

2,550 posted on 05/15/2007 4:40:04 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: DelphiUser

“Will all the Mormons who made lists of names to call other churches while a student please respond to this post...”

I did. It went something like:
-Catholics
-Methodists
-Baptists
-Jews
-Anglicans
...


2,551 posted on 05/15/2007 4:46:21 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: DanielLongo

That the prophets of the Old Testament lived concurrently (that means at the same time).

God didn’t wait until the old one died to get a new one like the latter-day-saints do know.

Hebrews 1:1-2 has changed the way God spoke to us in the Old Testament.

1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.


2,552 posted on 05/15/2007 4:48:02 PM PDT by colorcountry ("You step in crap once and spend the rest of your life scraping it off.")
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To: tantiboh
I did. It went something like: -Catholics -Methodists -Baptists -Jews -Anglicans

That's because you're so considerate, Tanty.

Students hearing McConkie "lectures" when he was alive derived less honorable names upon gleaning his writings; other earlier general authority writings; and as I've already mentioned, the BoM & PoGP itself.

I guess it all depends what your primary filters are.

2,553 posted on 05/15/2007 4:57:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; DelphiUser
"no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith"

I don't see that anywhere in the quote below. You made it look like a direct quote and were purposefully deceptive.

"If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again once again on the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1)

It says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith. It says If...then, "No man can reject that testimony", it says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith, as though he were the judge of the quick and dead.

2,554 posted on 05/15/2007 4:58:03 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Colofornian
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, aworld without end. Amen.

"Unto him be glory in the church"- "him that is able to do...according to the power that worketh in us"

"in the church by Christ Jesus" is a preposition which links to the object(noun), "him". The word "throughout" is the start of the second modifying preposition which in English also modifies "him" not "the church".

This was obviously not a strong subject for you. By the way, what is the name of that church again? LOL

2Peter chapter 3 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2,555 posted on 05/15/2007 5:15:39 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo; DelphiUser
I don't see that anywhere in the quote below. You made it look like a direct quote and were purposefully deceptive....It says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith. It says If...then, "No man can reject that testimony", it says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith, as though he were the judge of the quick and dead.[DanielLongo]

You know, DL, you've lost your "witness" here when you inwardly judge folks ("purposefully deceptive") when you have no knowledge of what you are talking about.

I suggest, if you don't believe me, that you get ahold of some of the original writings of your prophets which your church makes readily available and read them yourself. They even compile writings by president for you to not have to rely on folks like me.

So I'll explain it to you so that then you can go check it out directly, and not label me as a deceiver. (Then you can apologize to me). If you look at JFS's book, vol. I, You will find the phrase "No Salvation Without Accepting Joseph Smith" is actually a sub-head that's in bold used by the prophet/author himself. I didn't make up the sub-head. (I wasn't around when he wrote it )

All you asked me was to include the following graph in full, which I dutifully did. (And I'll I got "rewarded" for in taking my time to serve you in this way was to be labeled a purposeful "deceiver.") Are you representative of folks of your faith? Is this how you treat inquirers to your faith?

Finally, please explain what is so damaging about Joseph Fielding Smith's phrase, "No Salvation Without Accepting Joseph Smith?" Could it be that what you find troubling, as I do, is that it serves as a direct substitution for Jesus Christ? as found in Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

2,556 posted on 05/15/2007 5:21:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: DanielLongo

Cornelius was found acceptable to God prior to hearing the gospel and prior to baptism, so yes one can be saved without hearing the gospel. Noah, Daniel and Job are other examples.

God told us what to do.


2,557 posted on 05/15/2007 5:24:55 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: colorcountry; DelphiUser
Hebrews 1:1-2 has changed the way God spoke to us in the Old Testament. 1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

It appears He also chose to speak through Paul. Right? It doesn't say that "he has spoken to us exclusively by his Son..."

Neither did I say that God speaks to man through one person at a time. You have proffered a non sequitur. In fact I am grateful that along with the living prophet today, there are also apostles who serve and speak the words of the Living Christ.

2,558 posted on 05/15/2007 5:27:58 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Netizen
prior to death.

That is my question. Noah spoke with the God of Israel. Job spoke with the God of Israel.Daniel was visited by an angel and, according to the book of his name, knew a great deal about God. Again, these cannot be compared with some Chinese guy who is a Buddhist his whole life, but otherwise leads an honorable existence. Is he damned?

and as for Noah, Daniel, and Job, how does the following verse apply to them?

John 3: 5 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2,559 posted on 05/15/2007 5:38:54 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: MHGinTN
Jeremiah 17:10 I Jehovah do search the heart, try the reins, Even to give to each according to his way, According to the fruit of his doings.

And further on in Jeremiah 31
2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

Interesting thing about the exile mentioned in Isaiah 27

8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind.
9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

Their exile was their atonement and NO BLOOD WAS SHED.

2,560 posted on 05/15/2007 5:47:09 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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