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To: Colofornian; DelphiUser
"no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith"

I don't see that anywhere in the quote below. You made it look like a direct quote and were purposefully deceptive.

"If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again once again on the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1)

It says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith. It says If...then, "No man can reject that testimony", it says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith, as though he were the judge of the quick and dead.

2,554 posted on 05/15/2007 4:58:03 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo; DelphiUser
I don't see that anywhere in the quote below. You made it look like a direct quote and were purposefully deceptive....It says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith. It says If...then, "No man can reject that testimony", it says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith, as though he were the judge of the quick and dead.[DanielLongo]

You know, DL, you've lost your "witness" here when you inwardly judge folks ("purposefully deceptive") when you have no knowledge of what you are talking about.

I suggest, if you don't believe me, that you get ahold of some of the original writings of your prophets which your church makes readily available and read them yourself. They even compile writings by president for you to not have to rely on folks like me.

So I'll explain it to you so that then you can go check it out directly, and not label me as a deceiver. (Then you can apologize to me). If you look at JFS's book, vol. I, You will find the phrase "No Salvation Without Accepting Joseph Smith" is actually a sub-head that's in bold used by the prophet/author himself. I didn't make up the sub-head. (I wasn't around when he wrote it )

All you asked me was to include the following graph in full, which I dutifully did. (And I'll I got "rewarded" for in taking my time to serve you in this way was to be labeled a purposeful "deceiver.") Are you representative of folks of your faith? Is this how you treat inquirers to your faith?

Finally, please explain what is so damaging about Joseph Fielding Smith's phrase, "No Salvation Without Accepting Joseph Smith?" Could it be that what you find troubling, as I do, is that it serves as a direct substitution for Jesus Christ? as found in Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

2,556 posted on 05/15/2007 5:21:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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