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To: DanielLongo
"no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith" Could you please include the entire paragraph. It is quite short.

Here goes:

"If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again once again on the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1)

The above also counters Christ's own words: "...I [Jesus Christ, not some "organizer" named Joe Smith] will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt 16:18)

Whatever church Jesus Christ said he was building there, it wasn't going to be a shabby structure, which the LDS directly accuse Jesus of building. It wasn't going to "go to pot" in 300+ years, like the LDS commonly accuse Jesus of doing. In fact, the force of the future tense from this passage depicts a mighty, strong church--and one so sustained by an Almighty, strong Christ. In fact, Rev. 20:8-9 says this Church will never be overthrown.

Furthermore, LDS label Paul as a false prophet when Paul told the Ephesians: "Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.." (Eph. 3:21)

Any Lds here care to point out exactly how it is that Paul falsely prophesied by mentioning which "age" that the church failed to bring glory to God? How can there "be glory in the church...throughout all ages" if it's a total apostasy? Exactly what glory was brought to God by the church in the years 400 to 1800 if the current writers defaming the entire Christian church are right?

Furthermore, LDS label the Holy Spirit a liar when the Spirit prophesied that the apostasy would be partial: "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, thaqt in the latter times some shall depart from the faith..." (1 Tim. 4:1)

Why is that the Holy Spirit speaks so "expressly" about this matter, yet LDS are so hostile to what He has to say?

2,550 posted on 05/15/2007 4:40:04 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; DelphiUser
"no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith"

I don't see that anywhere in the quote below. You made it look like a direct quote and were purposefully deceptive.

"If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again once again on the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1)

It says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith. It says If...then, "No man can reject that testimony", it says nothing about accepting Joseph Smith, as though he were the judge of the quick and dead.

2,554 posted on 05/15/2007 4:58:03 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Colofornian
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, aworld without end. Amen.

"Unto him be glory in the church"- "him that is able to do...according to the power that worketh in us"

"in the church by Christ Jesus" is a preposition which links to the object(noun), "him". The word "throughout" is the start of the second modifying preposition which in English also modifies "him" not "the church".

This was obviously not a strong subject for you. By the way, what is the name of that church again? LOL

2Peter chapter 3 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2,555 posted on 05/15/2007 5:15:39 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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