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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: RECONRICK

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I love my Church and my Ward is the sweetest Ward! The Spirit is so strong. I am grateful to Heavenly Father for sending His Son to die for me.

P.S. Many of the same songs found in LDS hymn book are also found in other denominations’ hymn books. For example, “O God, Our Help in Ages Past”, “Sweet Hour of Prayer” and “Battle Hymn of the Republic” (which we always sing around July 4th); our church is very patriotic.

Here’s a song from our hymn book “We’re Not Ashamed to Own Our Lord”:

Verse 1: “We’re not ashamed to own our Lord
And worship him on earth.
We love to learn his holy word
And know what souls are worth.

Verse 2: “When Jesus comes in burning flame
to recompense the just,
The world will know the only name
In which the Saints can trust.

Verse 3: “When he comes down from heav’n to earth
With all his holy band,
Before creation’s second birth,
We hope with him to stand.

Verse 4: “He then will give us a new name.
With robes of righteousness,
And, in the New Jerusalem, Eternal happiness.”

What’s wrong with that song, pray tell?

Here’s another one. “Let the Holy Spirit Guide” - here are the words:

Verse 1: “Let the Holy Spirit guide;
Let him teach us what is true
He will testify of Christ,
Light our minds with heaven’s view.

Verse 2: “Let the Holy Spirit guard.
Let his whisper govern choice.
He will lead us safely home
If we listen to his voice.

Verse 3: “Let the Spirit heal our hearts
Thru his quiet, gentle pow’r.
May we purify our lives
To receive him hour by hour.”

Hallelujah!!


1,701 posted on 05/09/2007 6:32:37 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: RECONRICK

From the LDS Hymn book:

“Praise God from Whom All Blessings Flow”:

“Praise God, from whom all blessings flow,
Praise him, all creatures here below.
Praise him above, ye heavnly host.
Praise Father, Son and Hoy Ghost.”

Gotta go to Cub Scouts. The LDS Church supports wholeheartedly the Boy Scouts of America.


1,705 posted on 05/09/2007 6:41:11 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: restornu
It has always to be God plan to grant joint heirs to those who quality!

Those who qualify for eternal life are those who (a) have been qualified by the substitute life & death of Jesus Christ; and (b) trust in that substitute.

As for godhood, God doesn't share His throne with any of us. He shares heaven with us, which is what we inherit. But an heir doesn't work for anything left to him. It's given upon the death of the heir. In this case, we receive upon the death of Christ, and knowing Him as He is and for what He's done.

Otherwise, you're telling me that if you have a great inheritance, and you leave a will for your pet dog, you're implying that just because "you've always planned this" that this somehow = your dog being converted into a human in the afterlife.

"Heir" does not = becoming divine.

1,706 posted on 05/09/2007 6:49:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: tantiboh

Thanks for your honesty. There seem to be a lot of Mormons who call themselves Christians. So if someone claims to be a Christian or claims to follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or to follow Jesus Christ, then I am prompted to clarify that Christianity and Mormonism are two separate religions, they are not the same. It is a danger to Christianity to have people who do not believe in orthodox Christianity claim the name of Christian or of Jesus Christ.


1,707 posted on 05/09/2007 6:49:39 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: tantiboh

[Remember, Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon in two months. You try putting together something like that in two months, and we’ll see if it withstands the tests of time and criticism as the Book of Mormon has. We’ll see if it is the catalyst to building up millions of faithful followers across the planet.

Also recall, the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets, not by Joseph Smith. They utilized chiasmus and other literary techniques that were quite accepted amongst the ancient Hebrew literati - even if they seem unfamiliar and awkward to us. Not bad for a New York farm boy with a 4th grade education.]

Au contraire. Anyone who has written books, as I have, recognizes the style as “Plagiaristic Fraud 101”, the constant repetition of biblical buzz phrases, the mangled names, the abysmal storyline. It is certainly not the work of Prophetic Titans.

“You try putting together something like that in two months, and we’ll see if it withstands the tests of time and criticism as the Book of Mormon has. “

First, the BOM hasn’t stood up well at all, it makes Swiss cheese seem made of steel. The BOM has spawned countless denunciations based on its anomalies, before we even get to the storyline. Secondly, LRon Hubbard put out some pretty good crap like Dianetics in not much time.

I’m a damn good writer myself, but to write a fabrication like the BOM you’d have to be totally invested in a mountain of occult, masonic, religious and pop culture twaddle that would be hard to duplicate. If you want to read something that was truly hard to write, someday you will have to read the 200,000 words I wrote about the storage of nuclear waste. If you thought Joseph Smith could make you go blind and turn to Jesus, wait till you’ve read something like that.

But you tempt me:

“And it came to pass that the Woolites and the Caprolites, after having traveled lo many a fortnight in their Kon Tiki, alighted upon the sands of New Jersey.
And it came to pass, that Wooly (as he was affectionately known to the Woolites), took his magic steeled bronze bow and launched an arrow skyward, that upon falling struck a native Befuddledite in the spirit bottom, causing it’s engrams to flow skyward.
Lord forgive me! Wooly exclaimed, I know not what I do! But God’s wrath knew no lack and the Caprolites became the dominant species of the land.”

Trust me, if I put my mind to it I could out WordSmith Joseph Smith, but for what purpose? To deceive another 20 generations of saps? Now that would be cruelty.


1,708 posted on 05/09/2007 6:53:56 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: tantiboh

“Come now, FC. I’d be willing to venture a guess that the vast majority of FReepers are significantly above average intelligence.”

That wasn’t the point, I had been assaulted as one of “loony grey matter”. But, I’d be happy to make the same bet with you as I did with restornu


1,709 posted on 05/09/2007 6:56:26 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: tantiboh

Ok, name a single “Christian” who holds that opinion.


1,710 posted on 05/09/2007 6:58:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: tantiboh

“Our churches don’t have anything on top. No cross, no statue.”

Now that is a falsehood. The link I provided has a gold statue of the guy with the bugle. And in any event, the challenge still stands. Offer to put a cross up and see where it gets you.


1,711 posted on 05/09/2007 6:58:19 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: RECONRICK

“WOW! There really is more evidence. This is amazing”

Yes, the Book of Zelph has saved me writing the Book of Caprolites, which has a similar story embedded in it, somewhere.

And how can you argue against the Book of Zelph? It is obviously written in the correct King James patois needed to convince even the most obstinate unbeliever!


1,715 posted on 05/09/2007 7:10:41 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
“And it came to pass that the Woolites and the Caprolites, after having traveled lo many a fortnight in their Kon Tiki, alighted upon the sands of New Jersey. And it came to pass, that Wooly (as he was affectionately known to the Woolites), took his magic steeled bronze bow and launched an arrow skyward, that upon falling struck a native Befuddledite in the spirit bottom, causing it’s engrams to flow skyward. Lord forgive me! Wooly exclaimed, I know not what I do! But God’s wrath knew no lack and the Caprolites became the dominant species of the land.”
I refuse to believe you unless you claim you translated this from golden tablets in a non-existent variation of ancient Egyptian but can never produce those golden tablets for some reason.

Sorry, no Prophet license for you.
1,716 posted on 05/09/2007 7:13:57 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP รท Rudi = Hillary)
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To: DelphiUser
I hate to say this, but the everyone is married to christ argument is sillier than anything Moromns have ever even been accused of believeing and that is saying something. I would love to see some scriptures on this.

The problem is that LDS settles for a mere man as a husband when God is offering His true church His own Son as the bridesgroom. The only marriage in heaven is between the Son and His bride, the church.

"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom...While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him...And while they went to buy [oil], the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut...Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matt 25:1,5-6, 10,13)

"For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." (2 Cor. 11:2)

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church...Therefore as the chuch is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gae himself for it...This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." (Eph. 5:23-25, 32)

"For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear...Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!" (Rev. 19:7-9)

"And I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband...Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb' And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God." (Rev. 21:2,9-10)

"The spirit and the bride say, 'Come!' (Rev. 22:17)

I would advise all LDS to stop this mega plan of future "two-timing" on Jesus Christ (our relationship to Him and to our spouse in heaven). The heavenly family is forever, yes. But it's one family. Families within THE FAMILY. But Jesus will be our only spouse. He's enough. We won't (and don't) need any other. Our security and dependency and relationship of knowing is with Him.

(And of course there are other Gospel parables comparing the kingdom of God to being invited to a wedding feast.)

1,717 posted on 05/09/2007 7:18:24 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RECONRICK

You said “church.”

Many - not all - of the temples do include a statue of Moroni. He’s the angel that we believe visited and gave the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith for translation. As such, he’s become a symbol of the restoration of the Gospel. You’ll notice he’s holding a trumpet. That’s a Biblical symbol.

We do not worship Moroni. Calling such statues “idols,” etc. is inaccurate.


1,718 posted on 05/09/2007 7:28:48 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: RECONRICK

“Ain’t no such thing period, nowhere, no how. Twas only a figment of a con artist’s con.”

You say so. Seems you’re the expert.

Of course, a medieval European would have scoffed at the idea that there were languages such as Navajo, Apache, Cherokee...


1,719 posted on 05/09/2007 7:30:47 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: Colofornian

It is not surprising that the one inspiring Joe Smith to write his book and later doctrinal directives would ignore the wedding feast of the Lamb, the wedding of Christ with His chosen, glorified, sanctified bride ... Satan despises the Grace of God and is likely unable to fathom the relationship of Christ to His bride.


1,720 posted on 05/09/2007 7:31:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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