Posted on 05/03/2007 10:23:46 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
“Bush and the neo-cons now stand completely isolated, the pathetic neo-cons pointing at Bush and saying his execution of their brilliant plan was flawed. So, it is quite ironic for you to try to insult us, who represent the views of the Republican party foreign policy consensus, as isolationists. It is the neo-con policy failure of the Bush administration which is truly isolationist because it has isolated us in domestic and foreign policy and isolated us with our traditional allies and isolated us as the new minority party in Congress. And it will hand the White House back to the Xlintons if pursued further.”
I’m not jewish, nor a liberal turned conservative, so the ‘neo con’ crap is meaningless to me, except it serves as a red flag in these forums when used as casually as you seem to be using it.
Second, what ‘insult’ are you talking about, in regards to my comments about Congressman Paul?
Third point. Its been my long held opinion we used Cold War strategies in dealing with Saddam and Son’s in the Gulf War. The notion of ‘containment’ to be exact. That was a serious error in judgement on the part of Bush the Elder in my view. If you are going to war with a dictator, you must remove him from his position, or don’t bother. Had we done so at the conclusion of the Gulf War, we wouldn’t be dealing with what we have today.
If you want to have a civil discussion about Ron Paul, I’m here. But if what you posted to me is your idea of ‘civil discourse’ about Ron Paul, don’t bother pinging me. I’ve had my fill of posters ranting about ‘evil neo cons’ as if its ‘real’.
After the 9/11 kook theory types, the ‘neo cons are all scum, and you are a neo con’ types are the most aggravating.
I take a fiendish delight in messing with liberals.
I know I really shouldn't do it.
It's so...easy.
LOL. That “christian” foreign minister was Saddam’s chief apologist. That Christian foreign minister lied at every turn. What was Tariq Aziz’s position on the $25,000 payments to families of palestinian “martyrs” who blew up children in Israeli malls and busses? What was Tariq Aziz’s position on harboring and housing boatloads of terrrosists, including Abu Nidal, in Baghdad. What was this good Christian man’s position on Uday and Qusay raping young women and feeding “dissenters”, including Christians, to packs of hungry dogs and plastic shredders?
“Badeye, I only flagged you because I thought you might enjoy the debate. Neither you nor OPie were being criticized. I think you’ve hung around with those Bikers until it’s made you a little paranoid. Anyway, FRegards.”
Thanks for the explanation, I didn’t insult anyone on this topic in my comments, so it was curious to see that posted my way here.
I believe removing Saddam and Son’s was the correct thing to do post 9/11. I also believe the administration lost its focus in Iraq upon winning the 04 election cycle, and played ‘not to lose’ til after the 06 election cycle ass kicking.
Bottom line is ‘we are here’. You can argue if it was the correct decision or not til the cows come home, it doesn’t change the fact ‘we are here’ and cannot afford to lose this fight.
If we cut and run now, we will get hit again here at home. It will embolden those that killed us by the thousands on a crisp fall day six years ago.
I suspect you realize it as well as I do.
Some of those votes are also people who recently became interested in supporting Paul after he began his campaign this year, like me.
This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.
Of course in some areas, Christians are being persecuted by islamic radicals. Just like shia marketplaces are being blown up full of old ladies shopping, and Sunni families are being slaughtered by Shia deathsquads. We are getting a good handle on the worst offenders and the Iraq military and police are starting to show signs of real progress. If we cut and run before the Iraqi gov't can enforce its laws and constititution, we will not only hand over a victory from the jaws of defeat to the terrorists, we will condemn these Christians and their offspring to a life of hardship, sorrow and death. Saddam's history of "supporting" Christians in that country is a farce. As long as complete and total allegiance was made to him, he let them live. Kinda like the "appoved" Christians in China.
Article 2: First: ISLAM is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
BY OFFICIAL DECLARATION, the Iraqi Constitution DECREES that Christianity is a Second-Class Religion and that Christians shall have Inferior Treatment under Law (if a Satanic Religion is recognized as "a fundamental source of legislation", and Christianity is NOT so recognized -- then, BY OFFICIAL DECLARATION, Christianity and all Christians are subjected to Inferiority Under Law -- by definition, they enjoy lesser legislative Prerogatives than "first class citizens", i.e. Moslems).
I never imagined that I would see the day when a proven Constitutionalist like Ron Paul would be subjected to hatred on Free Republic -- and so-called "conservatives" would rise up to demand we spend EVER MORE American Lives and American Treasure to prop up a SATANIC Islamic Theocracy in Iraq. Truly, I never thought I'd see the day.
"Woe to them who call evil good..." - Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Amen!!
Did you expect an Arab country to NOT have islam as its official religion?
Pull your head out.
“Nah, I’d say it’s probably a lot of Conservatives who still care about the Constitution”
Speaking of conservatives who value the Constitution, what ever happened to areafiftyone?
Not with my Tax Dollars.
You think it's somehow morally acceptable to spend American Tax Monies to prop up a Government which officially establishes Koranic Satanism as its Official Religion?
Your "Realpolitik" is hatred against Jesus Christ. Pull your head out.
Honestly don’t know. I took a break for a week or so, and I don’t know what happened to him.
Then better quit driving your car. You’re personally giving cash to the Saudis, Iranians, and Kuwaitis to prop up “koranic satanism”.
It is morally acceptable to defeat the enemies of this country, regardless of who they are. Commies, dictators, leftists, Islamists, nazis.
I was asking for information. If you are a Ron Paul supporter, and you attack me for asking a question, you are not encouraging me to give further consideration to his position.
Balderdash.
There's a huge moral difference between buying goods and services from a Democrat shop-owner, and Voting to put that Democrat shop-owner in political power.
One transaction (the Economic Means) grants him no Power of Coercion over anybody. The other transaction (the Political Means) grants him Power of Coercion over everyone in his jurisdiction.
The bottom line is -- you're attempting to justify pro-actively granting the Power of Coercion to a demonstrably Satanic Government. You know it's Anti-Christ, and so you're grapsing for "moral equivalency" straws like some kind of situational-ethics Liberal.
But in your heart, you know it's Anti-Christ.
It is morally acceptable to defeat the enemies of this country, regardless of who they are. Commies, dictators, leftists, Islamists, nazis.
Saddam has been defeated and killed. His sons have been defeated and killed. The stated Military Aims of the 2003 Ultimatum have been accomplished, and we won. Already.
Now, at this point, four years later -- No Theory of Morality propounded by any Christian Denomination on earth can every justify pro-actively granting the Coercive Political Power of the State to a demonstrably Satanic Government. If a Satanic Government takes power after we leave, we are Biblically innocent of its rise to power. But if we pro-actively grant the Coercive Political Power of the State to a demonstrably Satanic Government -- then we are indeed guilty of volitional collusion against Christ.
As I said: you're attempting to justify pro-actively granting the Power of Coercion to a demonstrably Satanic Government. You know it's Anti-Christ, and so you're grapsing for "moral equivalency" straws like some kind of situational-ethics Liberal.
But in your heart, you know it's Anti-Christ.
You are grasping at straws here feller. The US isn’t in the business of defining religions of the world as satanist.
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