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If you are going to war with a dictator, you must remove him from his position, or don’t bother. Had we done so at the conclusion of the Gulf War, we wouldn’t be dealing with what we have today.

No, that is exactly my point. History is proving Bush I and Baker were correct (along with the rest of the GOP foreign policy establishment, CIA, DIA, etc.). Removing Saddam was a mistake compared to the results we have had and will have now. Removing the Taliban was actually a good idea and well-supported by all our allies and by considerable domestic consensus.

My point is to make it clear exactly who are the foreign policy isolationists and exactly who has been isolated by the current policies, namely, those championed by the neo-con segment of the GOP whose failed vision for Mideast nation-building is only too evident.

Badeye, I only flagged you because I thought you might enjoy the debate. Neither you nor OPie were being criticized. I think you've hung around with those Bikers until it's made you a little paranoid. Anyway, FRegards.

“Badeye, I only flagged you because I thought you might enjoy the debate. Neither you nor OPie were being criticized. I think you’ve hung around with those Bikers until it’s made you a little paranoid. Anyway, FRegards.”

Thanks for the explanation, I didn’t insult anyone on this topic in my comments, so it was curious to see that posted my way here.

I believe removing Saddam and Son’s was the correct thing to do post 9/11. I also believe the administration lost its focus in Iraq upon winning the 04 election cycle, and played ‘not to lose’ til after the 06 election cycle ass kicking.

Bottom line is ‘we are here’. You can argue if it was the correct decision or not til the cows come home, it doesn’t change the fact ‘we are here’ and cannot afford to lose this fight.

If we cut and run now, we will get hit again here at home. It will embolden those that killed us by the thousands on a crisp fall day six years ago.

I suspect you realize it as well as I do.