Posted on 05/03/2007 10:48:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
A pair of Mormon churchgoers who force fed six young children tablespoons of hot chilli powder were found guilty of child cruelty offences today.
Maria Keable and Deirdre Carrington punished the four girls and two boys, all aged under 16, by making them eat tablespoons of chilli powder or raw chillies, raw eggs, and stinging them with nettles.
The children were also routinely hit with wooden rolling pins and lined up in a row and punched and kicked. One boy was also gagged, tied to a bed and covered with a sheet.
He was also forced to administer the stinging nettle treatment to the other children for fear of being hit.
The best friends' reign of physical and emotional cruelty over the children in Ramsgate, Kent, lasted for nine years.
The jury of nine men and three women at Canterbury Crown Court took five hours to convict them both of six child cruelty offences and one assault charge.
Keable, a 60-year-old Macedonian, regarded her actions as Christian and believed in "love with boundaries".
One boy, now aged 12, told the jury during the two-and-a-half week trial that Keable would substitute chilli powder with raw, chopped chillies if she ever ran out. He said: "We sometimes cried because it was really hot and all she'd do was just whack us and give us some more."
On another occasion he was set upon by both women, who pushed him back and forth between them "like a football".
Carrington also carried out the chilli pepper punishment, the boy said.
Carrington told police she was having "emotional problems" when she made one girl eat chilli powder.
The chilli-powder punishment was also given to a two-year-girl.
Keable told police that "in her country, the use of chilli was normal" and that she believed "her motives were Christian".
She admitted to police she hit the children for not eating raw eggs and honey because it was a "healthy part of their diet".
Carrington, 41, of Chiswick, west London, and Keable, of Ramsgate, both denied six counts of child cruelty and one assault charge between January 1997 and January last year.
They met at a Mormon temple in London 10 years ago. They also attended Mormon churches in Deal and Canterbury in Kent.
Prosecutor Robin Johnson told the jury: "This was a case of two women who were completely out of control and were acting in a disgraceful way to these children."
Judge Timothy Nash remanded the pair in custody and indicated that he may sentence later on today.
Judge Nash, referring to the assault charge, told the two women: "This isn't excessive chastisement in the court's view. It may have started off like that but there came a time towards the later years where it had an element of sadism, I think, about it."
The children were punished by the pair for not completing their chores satisfactorily. The judge said: "I'm quite satisfied that where nettles were concerned it was no botany lesson."
Addressing the pair he said: "Deidre wouldn't say boo to a goose. The strength lay with Maria. This matrimonial figure, initially perhaps with the best intentions, took complete control and lost it."
He warned them that they both faced a custodial sentence and adjourned the case for pre-sentence reports. The next court hearing will be at the same court on June 4. The women were remanded in custody.
True. Keep reading. I see the light. lol.
Eewww
Let me be the first to say (in a nonhate speach sort of way)
That’s SO gay....
Are you saying that it is impossible for a mormon to do something like this?
Never said such a thing (nice touch taking my post WAY out of context btw /rolls eyes). It's possible. It's also possible for members of any other religion to do the same sort of thing.
What's the difference? If a Mormon does it Mormons and non-Mormons get to sit through pages and pages of posts by anti-Mormon bigots who can't seperate the crimes of individuals from the LDS Church as a whole.
Two unrelated women met at a Mormon temple 10 years ago, took up cohabiting at least 9 years ago, and somehow accumulated 6 six children between them, including a 2 year old. And at least one of them is far too old to have given birth to the 2 year old. Where the heck did these kids come from?
These two may have dropped by a Mormon church from time to time, but they sure as heck weren’t active Mormons, and may not even be church members (I suspect the reference to the “temple” may just be the writer’s lack of familiarity with the colossal difference between a Mormon temple and a Mormon church meeting building. I’m not a Mormon, but attempting to draw any connection between the Mormon religion and culture, and this family’s activities, is a stretch beyond the breaking point.
The news source is in the UK. I doubt the writer even gives much thought about Governor Romney, or if he has even heard of him to begin with.
Don’t know what happened to the rest of the peppercorns by the time I had the second & third sons. Found out the middle son really liked hot pickled peppers. After one taste he began to pester his father, whenever his dad pulled out his favorite snack. Found out the youngest liked onions. I’d ask him “the question” & he’d peel an onion for himself.
The most common advice given to parents dealing with biters back then was to bite the child. I assume your kids are younger than mine. What’s the common advice about biting these days.
Trust me, NONE of this had anything to do with Mormon church teachings or practices. First of all, two cohabiting women acquiring children together (note that at least one of the children, and almost certainly, were born after within the 9 year period that these women have been operating this torture facility) is completely outside the bounds of Mormon teaching. On top of that, if this was an active Mormon family, the children would have been in regular contact with their bishop, home teachers, and the leaders of the Primary, Young Men’s, and Young Women’s program, including private interviews with the bishop prior to baptism at age 8 and (for the boys) priesthood ordination at age 12. No way could this have gone on for 9 years. MAYBE, in an unusually messed up Mormon ward (parish) something like this could have gone in a household with a married couple, headed by a priesthood-holding member father, if the husband/father had the wife and kids too cowed to complain to Church leaders. But with this very unorthodox 2-woman couple, which continued to acquire children together, they would have been targets for very close scrutiny by the local leaders.
This is politics, Romney, was a lousy Gov of Mass and is a rino like his father, will I vote for him, No. If Mitt was elected would he govern in a Constitutional manner, yes, would he let his religion dictate, no.
I suspect the abuse of the children is only mentioned to showcase how horribly evil these “crazed Mormon cultists” really are.
They are making a feature movie of Mountain Meadows.
Hm...And bets that it will come to the theaters just in time to smear Mitt Romney,,and indirectly,,,the Republican party and all God believing people.
I know many parents that do this which I don’t think is abuse, but this women went over the line IMHO. It taught them that the biting is not worth it. lol.
It seems that in most of threads that talk about Mormonism someone posts some sort of drivel about Mormon beliefs in an attempt to shock other Christian readers. Here are my answers to one post that keeps appearing.
“1. Mormons can become gods and goddesses.”
This idea was commonly taught by Christians of other denominations in the past. For instance, in Mere Christianity, published half a century ago, C. S. Lewis says that it’s the destiny of humanity to become like God.
“2. Goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.”
A requirement to becoming like God is the become One with God. If a Husband and Wife are One with God then both will be submissive to the Will of God.
“3. Mormon women will give birth forever and ever to spirit-babies.”
Most people will say that their greatest joy comes from their children. Mormons hope to continue having the joy of creating and nurturing new individuals in the hereafter.
“4. Mormon men can have multiple wives in heaveneternal polygamy.”
Righteous polygamy is ordained by God. See 2 Sam 12:7-8 (’Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy masters house, and thy masters wives into thy bosom ...’)
“5. Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess wife, Heavenly Mother, on a planet near the great star Kolob.”
There is no Mormon doctrine about a Heavenly Mother, however, many Mormons feel strongly that if there is a Heavenly Father then there must also be a Heavenly Mother.
“6. American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.”
There are many things that point to the American Indians as an Hebraic people. For instance, I’ve found over 300 words in the Mayan Kiche language that appear to have Hebrew roots.
“7. God the Father had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus, who is the half brother of Lucifer.”
There is no doctrine like this about the conception in the Mormon church. Mormons believe, like other Christians, that the conception of Jesus came through the agency of the Holy Ghost. Mormons also believe that Lucifer and Jesus are both creations of God and in that sense they are brothers.
“8. All Christian churches are an abomination.”
The true Mormon teaching is that all churches that praise God with their words, but harden their hearts against God are an abomination.
“9. Mormons need 4 secret handshakes to get into the Celestial heaven.”
Mormons believe that if a person has faith in Jesus Christ as his/her Saviour and tries to live in a Christ-like manner, then God will provide them with whatever they need to enter the Kingdom of God.
“10. Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.”
So what?
When my son refused to go to bed, I kept him up until about three in the morning. He wasn’t allowed to do anything in the least bit entertaining & I had to wake him up a couple of times. He was begging me to let him go to bed. Never had a bedtime problem with him after that. The other two just sort of followed his lead, though it could be because the middle one loved bedtime. He’d put himself to bed early if he was tired.
Kids started fighting in the car, I’d pull off the road & get out. I didn’t care if it made them late for something, that car was not moving. Fighting with each other at home, they were sent to a room together until they worked things out.
The woman in the story was just a bully & the things she did to the kids weren’t discipline, they were an exercise of power for the sake of power.
Mitt seems like a good candidate to me; he's INFINITELY preferable to McCain or Guiliani. A lot of Frepers have hammered on him because of his alleged flip-flopping on the issues, he's a RINO, etc. He's from Massachussetts so he's got liberalism all over his shoes. But he seems like a good, honorable man to me. Plus he's photogenic and has nice hair, which goes a long way in presidential elections! :-)
Me, I'm just waiting for Fred Thompson to throw his hat into the ring and make all this discussion moot. I wish he'd hurry up!
I agree.
Me too. But if he does not run we have to have an alternative. I think Romney might be ok. He at least has had one successful marriage.
Methinks their prison meals are likely to be getting some extra “seasoning” that the other prisoners’ meals don’t get.
Be interesting if they had a smart judge who included it in their sentencing.
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