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Researchers Probe Fossilized Rain Forest
Townhall ^ | 4/23/07

Posted on 04/23/2007 8:44:05 PM PDT by Valin

Standing on the wind-swept flatlands of southern Vermilion County, you might think you'd have to drive the 180 miles to Chicago's Field Museum to find the nearest fossilized tree trunk from the Pennsylvania Age, 300 million years ago. Nah, just drill straight down. That's where coal miners working south and west of Georgetown have unearthed, chunk by fossilized chunk, what has revealed itself over the past few years to be the remains of a fossilized rain forest. It covers about 15 square miles, all more than 200 feet below ground, and probably is the largest intact rain forest from that period ever studied, according to Scott Elrick of the Illinois State Geological Survey.

It's that scale that makes what lies just above the Riola and Vermilion Grove mines significant, he said. "We never encountered one whole forest preserved in one shot like this," Elrick said Monday. "The fossils just didn't stop." It's common to find small pockets of fossilized plants just above coal mines, he said. But in this case, experts believe, a fault that runs through the area unleashed a major earthquake that quickly sank the forest beneath a deep layer of mud, preserving it. "What they're looking at is very rapid preservation of this forest," meaning that plant tissue was preserved in great detail, rather than being broken down over time, said Ian Glasspaul, a collections manager at the Field Museum who is not involved with the work in Vermilion County. "It's a snapshot in time," he said. "That's what makes it exciting."

Elrick and researchers from the Smithsonian Institution and the University of Bristol in Great Britain started working in the mines a few years ago, driving deep underground in armored vehicles and then walking along miles of 7-foot-high passages. They spent most of their time looking up, according to Howard Falcon-Lang, the scientist from the University of Bristol.

That's because the coal that's being mined used to be the soil that the ferns, mosses and trees of the rain forest grew on, he said in a Monday e-mail sent to The Associated Press. Coal seams found across the United States, the United Kingdom and Europe once were the soil beneath the first rain forests, he said. People who live in eastern Illinois may occasionally long for a few more trees, but they'd find the land that now sits just above the miners' heads a tough place to call home during the Pennsylvania Age, Elrick said. Today's Illinoisan likely would recognize it right away as a jungle, he said. The plants were bigger _ 30-foot-tall horsetails and mosses as big as trees _ but familiar enough. The heat and humidity would be something else entirely. "It would be hot, extremely humid, really uncomfortable to be standing around there," Elrick said. "Something out of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's 'Lost World.'"

Researchers haven't found much evidence of animal life, but they have found a eurypterid, a 6-foot-long lobster-like creature that would have crawled from beneath the waves of the long-gone Absoroka Sea, Falcon-Lang and Elrick said. Derrel Carter, a spokesman for Peabody Energy, said mining has stopped at the Riola mine but continues at the Vermilion Grove site.

Elrick and the other researchers plan to continue documenting what's above the Vermilion County mines, drawing and taking pictures and notes. But that's all they'll do, he said. The area deep underground isn't suitable for preservation. "Unfortunately, it will never be a visitable museum kind of piece," Elrick said. "We try to document to the best of our ability what we see, and take notes ... It's sort of like asking people to go to New York City and describe every store front in a day."

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Associated Press Writer Jim Suhr contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2006 Salem Web Network. All Rights Reserved.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; coalmine; fossilizedforest; godsgravesglyphs; illinois

1 posted on 04/23/2007 8:44:07 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin
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2 posted on 04/23/2007 8:48:45 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: Valin

In this photo released Monday, April 23, 2007 by the Illinois State Geological Survey shows a fossil, part of a fossilized rain forest discovered in coal mines in Vermilion County in east central Illinois. Geologists say the area dates to the Pennsylvania Age, 300 million years ago. Researchers are probing the fossilized area which covers about 15 square miles, all more than 200 feet below ground, and is probably the largest intact rain forest from that period ever studied. (AP Photo/Illinois State Geological Survey)


3 posted on 04/23/2007 8:56:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... In FReeP We Trust ...)
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To: ASA Vet

Nice link. Thanks.


4 posted on 04/23/2007 9:05:44 PM PDT by GOPJ (The only people liberals refuse to apply zero tolerance to are actual felons -- freeper goldstategop)
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To: GOPJ

Both threads were interesting reads.


5 posted on 04/23/2007 9:13:03 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

It covers about 15 square miles

I’m going waaaay out on a limb and say that’s a big fossil


6 posted on 04/23/2007 9:20:54 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin
This is another obviously untrue story.
We know this because
IF there were once rain forests in Illinois, that means that Illinois was once much warmer, long, long ago. BUT there were no SUVs or Republicans long, long ago, and Bush was not President.
THEREFOR Illinois must have been cooler.
Q.E.D.

You gotta think these things through.


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7 posted on 04/24/2007 4:12:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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To: Valin
Standing on the wind-swept flatlands of southern Vermilion County, you might think you'd have to drive the 180 miles to Chicago's Field Museum to find the nearest fossilized tree trunk from the Pennsylvania Age,

No, you just drive from Chicago south to Peoria to find lots and lots of fossilized tree trunks in the vicinity of Kickapoo Creek.
8 posted on 04/24/2007 4:15:43 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Mad Dawg

It appears (to me at least) that many of the global warming people think(?) that the planet should stay the same way it was when they were...(say) 8 years old.

(something I read here a couple of weeks ago)
“By the time you finish reading this the climate will have changed.”


9 posted on 04/24/2007 5:48:29 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin
“By the time you finish reading this the climate will have changed.”

LOL

Well? Should I get my mukluks or my sunscreen? Aaagggh! the uncertainty is killing me!

10 posted on 04/24/2007 6:58:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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To: Mad Dawg

Should I get my mukluks or my sunscreen?

yes. :-)


11 posted on 04/24/2007 7:09:17 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Mad Dawg

There also had to be a massive fast-acting catastrophic burial mechanism...........


12 posted on 04/24/2007 7:35:01 AM PDT by fishtank ("War is cruelty...The crueler it is the sooner it will be over." William Tecumseh Sherman)
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To: Valin
HArrUMPH!

LOL!

13 posted on 04/24/2007 7:43:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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To: Valin

This isn’t another article about Sheryl Crow’s butt, is it?


14 posted on 04/24/2007 9:26:52 AM PDT by Petruchio (Single, Available, Easy)
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Ancient Rainforest Revealed in Coal Mine
Yahoo News | Mon Apr 23, 2007 | Jeanna Bryner
Posted on 04/23/2007 11:11:31 PM EDT by A. Pole
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1822411/posts


15 posted on 01/21/2008 10:38:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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...thanks to tidal rhythms, the mud deposited on top of this forest is layered, so years can be counted as with the rings of a tree. The 15 feet of sediment that blankets the fossils was laid down in four months -- instantaneously in geologic time. ["Fossils of a 300-Million-Year-Old Forest Found", Discover Magazine, Michael Abrams]

16 posted on 01/21/2008 10:43:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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18 posted on 10/06/2009 7:58:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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the "fossilizedforest" keyword:
19 posted on 02/25/2012 6:55:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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