Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement

(From a thread) | Credit to Spiff for the chart and flashbunny for the grapics

[Jim Robinson]

Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement (and a knife in the back).

The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	SupportsOpposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Whoever is disgruntled enough by the eventual GOP nominee to vote third party in a swing state should do so knowing they are casting a vote for Hillary.

There you go again, dragging out the Hillary bogeywoman.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

He makes states competitive that a normal Republican would not.

Liberals in blue states are not going to vote for him. They'll vote for the RAT!

[RWR8189]

Please extrapolate on the consequence free environment that is resultant from a Hillary presidency, especially in terms of the War on Terrorism.

I am not here to advocate for Giuliani, I am here to advocate unity behind whoever is the Republican nominee, something I never thought would be controversial at this forum.

[RWR8189]

I’m not so sure, Bill Clinton fooled a whole of bunch of folks in what we today consider to be red states to vote for him twice.

Reagan benefited from a weak and dimwitted opponent (a luxury we are unlikely to have in 2008) to get liberal Massachusetts and 48 other states to vote for him.

The 2000/2004 political boundaries are not set in stone, and it is foolish to think that a different candidate will not appeal to different voters.

But my main point is that “electability” is not always a good thing, and I for one think we can do a lot better and still win.

[Doofer]

Of McCain, Romney, and Thompson, we need to figure out which candidate is the right one to carry on the conservative banner, and not splinter votes between themselves.

(4/16) If Fred Thompson officially joins the race for president who would you support?

I'll go with Fred

69.2%

Other

12.1%

I'm solid with Rudy

10.5%

Undecided/pass

8.2%

Now if only he'd throw his hat in ring!

[Caipirabob]

The issue over Rudy is one that defines the line between true conservatives and the GOP. The GOP is flirting with a schism between it's moderates and it's actual base with Rudy Guiliani. I will not support Guiliani in the primaries, no way, no how.

[Jim Robinson]

No conservative of any stripe, true or not, should support Giuliani. His liberal candidacy would make the GOP and all it stands for a laughing stock. Conservatism would be disgraced. The conservative cause would be dead.

[Graybeard58]

NOOOO!! Not another one!! We’re still trying to finish off the last one!! :)

I'm glad J.R. posted this. I read about 1500 or so replies from the one he posted yesterday and I wish he would just say right up front how he feels about Rudy, instead of being so vague.

[sport]

Bump

[azhenfud]

Giuliani would better serve America in New Orleans or Miami, but it’d take Conservatives at least a decade to over the damage Giuliani would inflict if he were put in Washington.

[Beagle8U]

“His personal views should not be a barrier in allowing a liberal an easy walk into the WH”

His personal views are what would give the Rats and easy walk into the WH.

NJ will vote Rat in the general election and there is ZERO chance that a anti gun, pro abortion Republican could carry OH and PA.

[Salvey]

Jim, if it is the case that Rudy gets the GOP nod, I really do hope that you do not allow this site to turn into a platform for Constitution/Libertarian Party nuts that would play the role of spoiler for Hillary.

Sad to say, it appears that this is already happening.

[Beagle8U]

“The number one difference between Rudy and Hillary is honesty.”

You better read Rudy’s testimony to the grand jury about Bernie Kerik’s mob connections and then get back with us about Rudy’s “Honesty”.

[Beagle8U]

“Having some friends who turn out to be dishonest doesn’t make you dishonest.”

Covering for them and lying about it does.

[Beagle8U]

” Rudy is a no-brainer”

That much of your post is true...lol

[dforest]

You better read Rudy’s testimony to the grand jury about Bernie Kerik’s mob connections and then get back with us about Rudy’s “Honesty”.

Very true. His whole campaign so far, down to the lowest level, has been dishonest. They like to rearrange and skirt around the truth about Rudy. People are lying and twisting Rudys record constantly. Lets face it, to sell Rudy one has to browbeat, skip over the parts of Rudys record, and become a disingenuous spinmeister.

I would hardly call that honest, and it is sad people have to lower themselves for a GOP candidate.

[tiredoflaundry]

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[TAdams8591]

We couldn’t agree more! Great THREAD!

[wagglebee]

If he is serious about strict constructionists on the supreme court then he is a very viable choice for any conservative.

Why in the world would we want to cross our fingers and hope that a liberal appoints originalists to the bench when there are real conservatives running who we can depend on to appoint them?

Why should we believe for a second that any president would knowingly appoint justices/judges who have philosophies that are the polar opposite of their own?

[mad_as_he$$]

Which liberal? Hillary or Rudy?