Ooops. Sorry. I meant this man:
Posted on 04/22/2007 12:33:36 PM PDT by J Aguilar
Terrorism is a continuation of politics by other means...
...at least in some corners of this world.
He transmitted the false presence of suicide terrorists
[Former Interior Minister] Acebes Blames Zapatero for Spreading the “Only Confirmed Lie” of 3/11.
The general secretary of the PP has pointed out directly the president of the government as responsible for the “only confirmed lie”, for the time being, of 3/11: the alleged presence of suicide terrorists [on the trains]. “Zapatero himself was the one that spread this information”, Acebes has denounced in COPE [Radio News Channel] on the basis of the revelations of EL MUNDO newspaper, a lie that “caused a great harm” to the executive. The Popular [Party] leader has reminded that in the same call, the one who was going to be elected president of the government affirmed that they had “friends of the PSOE [Socialist Party]” in the Police. According to Acebes, the goal of the Socialists today it is the same of those days: “Destroy the PP”.
(Libertad Digital) In an interview in La Mañana on COPE, Ángel Acebes has talked about the campaign directed against him after the testimony of the leaders of the Police [in the 3/11 trial]. that passed him the first information on 3/11. The Popular [Party] leader says that this criticism “is being quite thick” but, what the trial has proved “is that we said what the Police were telling us”. “They have to hide all what they lied and manipulated”, has said Acebes, for what they need “far thicker titles of articles on newspapers”.
Criticism such as this follows, according to Acebes, “wicked interests”. Their only goal, in his opinion, is to finish Rajoy’s party [the PP] and therefore “it is directed against this party”. The Popular [Party] leader has denounced that the Socialist Party “has an objective on which they have rendered all they policies”, which is, “destroy the PP to destroy [any opportunity] of democratic alternation” and “keep in office”. “That is the reason the have broken all the pacts”, such as the antiterrorist one, “to the service of the isolation and internal break up of the PP”.
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The “Only Confirmed Lie” of 3/11
On 3/11, the leader of the PP has insisted that “the only goal is to know the truth”, thus he has defended that the investigations should continue. On the “manipulations” by the Socialists, he has said that they were built on two assertions. The first one, that the government [in 3/11] “was hiding evidence”, precisely “what exploded on the trains”. Regarding this, Acebes has said that “in three hours, from 11 AM to the early hours of the afternoon they already demanded us to tell the commercial name” of the explosive [used] “when three years later we still don’t know what exploded on the trains”. [See also this]
The second socialist strategy was “the lie”, but the “only one confirmed” today, the one on the alleged suicide terrorists on the trains, was responsibility of Zapatero. “Yesterday we discovered by EL MUNDO that was Zapatero himself the one that spread this [dis]information” has regretted Acebes, before recalling that that “caused a great harm” because it transmitted that the executive branch “was lying”. “We must remember that that harmed the credibility of a government that was managing the biggest tragedy in the History of Spain”, the Popular [party] leader has insisted.
After recalling the events on the first hours after 3/11 [when it was said that the explosive used was Titadyne with detonating cord], Acebes has emphasized that “it was not easy” the TEDAX [Technicians on Explosive Deactivation] had made a mistake identifying Titadyne because “they know it very well”. “It is unthinkable that they could have made a mistake, we should go back to that moment” Acebes has said, and also he has reminded that “the doubts arose much later”. In fact, they did not considered any question about the backpack of Vallecas. “Now we have a lot of information” that we did not have then.
Agents at the Service of the Socialist Party
The references of the PP number two to the information that EL MUNDO has published this Sunday have been constant during the entire interview in La Mañana on COPE. Above all, Acebes has defended the role of the security forces because “we cannot extend to all police officers that the leaders and some high rank officers were disloyal”. Although he has regretted the “discredit” and “great harm” that Socialists are causing “utilizing Police Officers at the service of the Socialist Party and not at the service of all citizens”.
In words of Acebes, “the most important thing for the future is, if Zapatero has said that has Police Officers at the service of the Socialist Party, to search for them, forced them to pay and replace them for others that are at the service of all. This is not an easy task”, so justified Acebes that the PP has not taken actions before. On these Police Officers that may have worked for the Socialist Party, he said “they have appeared now, but at that moment knowing them was not an easy issue”.
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That translated article makes reference to this one:
“We have people inside” the Police, told the then Socialist Candidate to Pedro J. Ramírez.
Felipe González Maintained that 3/11 was a “Job Commissioned by ETA”, According to Zapatero.
The former [Socialist] president Felipe González maintained that 3/11 had been “a job commissioned by ETA”, according to the words of José Luis Rodríguez-Zapatero to EL MUNDO newspaper’s director the same day of the attacks. It is revealed this Sunday by Pedro J. Ramírez in his Letter from the Director, titled La joint venture. “That is what Felipe says, that it has been a job commissioned by ETA. It would be the first time that happens something like this”, told the then candidate Zapatero to the journalist during a telephone conversation at 10:00 PM, that Ramírez reconstructs in his Sunday essay from notes that “with quite detail” took “on the fly”, and that has decided to make public once acknowledging “their enormous informative relevance” after the last ETA communiqué, in which the terrorist group recognizes the role of 3/11 as one of the conditions that favoured the so called “peace process”.
(Libertad Digital) The president of the government, - then, on 3/11, Socialist candidate- and the director of EL MUNDO kept a telephone conversation – the third that day – at 10:00 PM on the day of the attacks in Madrid. José Luis Rodríguez-Zapatero maintained before Pedro J. Ramírez that there were suicide terrorists on the trains and that this information came from “inside”. “Look, we have ruled for 13 years and we have people inside”, emphasized the then Socialist candidate, probably trying to grant more credibility to his words, according to the context of the dialogue reconstructed by the director of EL MUNDO.
Zapatero also boasted before Ramírez of having sources in the White House by intercession of the Democrat candidate John Kerry. “They have moles in the White House”, he plotted. From one of those alleged “moles” came, according to the confidences of Zapatero to Ramírez, the White House’s certainty, reached that same afternoon of 3/11, that Al Qaeda had perpetrated the attacks.
The journalist asked him about a “half job, some kind of joint venture” with ETA.
Zapatero’s answer was: “that is what Felipe says, that it has been a job commissioned by ETA. It would be the first time that happens something like this”.
Pedro J. Ramírez [EL MUNDO’s director] reconstructs this dialogue in his Letter from the Director this Sunday, titled La joint venture, after considering “its enormous informative relevance” once the last ETA defiance was made public, acknowledging last April 8th on Gara, that 3/11 launched, among other positive conditions – the so called “peace process”.
The intoxication about the presence of suicide bombers on the trains – an information spread by [pro-Socialist radio channel] SER that has proved false – and the attribution of the source of that hoax to people “inside” the State Security Forces, according to the words of the then Socialist candidate in that conversation, makes the journalist infer that “someone inside the Security Forces knew the script according to which between the Alcalá van and the backpack of Vallecas there were going to appear evidence of suicide bombers as a definitive mark of Islamic terrorism. My only doubt is, if in addition of knowing the script, that person also contributed to its conception”.
Ramírez explains in his article that “what really has impelled me” to publish this telephone conversation with Zapatero “has been the final part of the talk, combined with the references ETA made on 3/11 last weekend during the interview published in Gara and the last events in the trial on the massacre”.
“On Sunday”, emphasizes Pedro J. Ramírez, “was the first time that ETA established a cause-effect relation between the massacre – which it says it was one of unleashing factors” –and what it defines as a process to resolve the Basque conflict”. […]
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By J Aguilar,
Just add that this information, that Zapatero called at 10:00 PM of the day of the attacks the directors of Spanish main newspapers to tell them that there were suicide bombers on the trains, was known since a long time ago by the people independently investigating 3/11. There is a lot of information on 3/11 that it is not being openly published, not even in Spain.
At that same hour, SER radio channel, owned by the pro-Socialist media oligarch Polanco, began broadcasting that same lie. It was the final push in the intoxication campaign, precisely calculated to stick in the minds of the Spaniards that Aznar’s government was lying, just before they went to sleep.
3/11 was indeed a masterwork of political manipulation, just at the level of the Reichstag’s fire in early Nazi Germany. Sooner or later we will know who were those geniuses that built such a plot, that even three years later, makes in fact all international media but a Holland TV channel, to cover-up the activities of the Western world’s last terrorist group in active.
Meanwhile, 3/11 has left the orbit of Islamic terrorism and moves toward the Ample Hall of European Atrocities that Horrified the World, with Katyn, Auschwitz and Srebrenica, among others.
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More 3/11 here:
A summary of news published in English regarding 3/11
Search @ Freerep
English thread @ Fondo Documental
More data on 3/11 in Spanish here:
Luis del Pino's blog
Kickjor's blog
Watch the latest Luis del Pino TV program on the trial here @ Google Video.
With 3/11 some VVIPs have to be earning a lot, otherwise it cannot be explained that the cover-up is still so thick.
I don’t get what’s going on here. Please summarize.
Thanks for your continuing work on this. There’s not much we can do about it unless the Spanish wake up, but it’s always a good thing to be informed.
In summary, the Socialist Zapatero got himself elected in a close election by claiming that the conservative incumbent was lying when he said that ETA (the Basque terrorist organization) was responsible for the train bombings. Instead, he said it was Muslim terrorists, the ETA had nothing to do with it, and he was responsible for getting Spain bombed because he was helping the US in Iraq.
Zapatero was elected on this claim that his opponent had lied about the terrorists. But, it turns out, he himself was lying, and has been covering up ever since. The ETA WAS responsible for the bombing. Possibly Muslim terrorists were involved as well, but in any case the ETA was certainly involved.
This was important to us because the Socialists (virtually Communists, with a violent history) took over Spain and pulled out of the GWOT. Spain went over to the Dark Side.
Thank you for researching this crucial issue. Hopefully, it is not too late for Spain to pull back from a self-inflicted catastrophe.
Ooops. Sorry. I meant this man:
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would you please add me to your ping list on this subject?
thanks in advance
That is very interesting. So has Zapatero NOT allowed the truth to come out so that he won’t be kicked out of office by angry Spaniards? Also instructive that he considered John Kerry his ‘source’ in the US.
What I know about this is mainly what J Aguilar has posted here in the forum over the past year. It’s in some of the Spanish newspapers but apparently isn’t getting translated or picked up anywhere else. My Spanish is pretty rusty, so I’ve been relying on his translations. Unfortunately the articles assume a certain amount of knowledge of the basics of Spanish government and events which those of us in America mostly don’t have.
I wish a few of the blogs at least would pick this stuff up. The MSM certainly won’t. But it’s important, because when Spain went socialist we lost a valuable ally.
If they did it by lying to get there, THAT needs to be exposed.
AZLiberty.
Probably 3/11 was carried out by ETA, but followed by an intensive and extense cover-up and public opinion manipulation campaign to blame Islamism for it, so the Spanish conservative government could be accused of endanger the Spanish citizens with its support of the war in Iraq, and therefore lose the national elections that took place three days later.
The deception, the way Islamist were blamed, is well documented:
- The evidence found in the explosion sites on the trains was hidden.
- Instead new evidence outside the trains was planted in a van found empty and in a backpack discovered in a Police Station.
- So with this new, very probably fabricated, evidence, some Muslims controlled by the Police or the Secret Services were blamed.
Now with the case on trial, the judge found the accusation weak and ordered new analysis on the samples taken from the explosion scenes. The analyses of those samples recovered from the trains just after the attacks, point toward ETA.
In addition, independent investigations have shown that the main evidence in the case have little legal value in a fair trial. For instance, the chain of custody of the van was allegedly broken.
Add that ETA has built again its infrastructure in the 3 years of Socialist rule, and you’ll begin to get the picture.
Cicero says that Spain went over to the Dark Side. Optimistic! I think it went down to the bottom.
Any thoughts about French/EU involvement in 3/11, especially regarding the Basques? I know there were a rash of escapes from French prisons of ETA operatives prior to 3/11. Also, Spain under the PP was waffling on support for the union.
Thanks. That helps a lot. On an earlier thread, I had read something about ETA involvement, but I wasn’t aware that the case was so clear.
“I don’t know how you, tanuki, dare to think such a thing about we Europeans that are righteous and peaceful people, as our history proves.”
Oh, perish the thought!
Seriously, if I am deviating from the main theme of getting to the bottom of this for the sake of the victims and their families, I humbly backtrack. I realize now that I was engaging in conspiracy talk worthy of some less reputable corners of the internet. Let me say that I am a Europhile and have no particular ax to grind with any particular member of the EU. Just the EU in general!
I didn’t know Zapatero played such a role in getting the EU constitution back on course at a point when the whole Union was leaving the tracks. Small wonder that interests in Spain tied to the EU would resort to anything to get him elected. My hope for Spain and Spaniards is for them to regain some sense of themselves back before it is too late. It is a sad decline for a nation and culture that gave us, among other things, the first truly global state in the Spanish Empire, the scholarship of Salamanca and the art of the Baroque.
So you think I have potential as a foreign service officer? Well, if you think I can live up to the example currently being set by our esteemed Speaker of the House, then I am deeply honored!/sarc. I do seem to cause the most interesting situations to arise when I open my mouth!
It was an ironic comment, tanuki. No blame at all. I think you really hit the nail on the head in #14.
There are many hidden interests behind 3/11, and you might have pointed out some of them. You made a deduction aiming, probably, in the right direction; thus my comment on you applying for the foreign service.
BTW, don’t think all posts there are public: many officials never came into the light.
And thank you for your good will towards Spain!
Thank you! And thank you again for all your work.
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