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The Pope Banishes Limbo
ap wire ^ | April 21, 2007 | ap

Posted on 04/21/2007 4:40:56 PM PDT by varina davis

The Pope Banishes Limbo

Saturday, Apr. 21, 2007 By AP/NICOLE WINFIELD Article

Pope Benedict XVI has reversed centuries of traditional Roman Catholic teaching on limbo, approving a Vatican report released Friday that says there were "serious" grounds to hope that children who die without being baptized can go to heaven.

Theologians said the move was highly significant — both for what it says about Benedict's willingness to buck a long-standing tenet of Catholic belief and for what it means theologically about the Church's views on heaven, hell and original sin — the sin that the faithful believe all children are born with. Although Catholics have long believed that children who die without being baptized are with original sin and thus excluded from heaven, the Church has no formal doctrine on the matter. Theologians, however, have long taught that such children enjoy an eternal state of perfect natural happiness, a state commonly called limbo, but without being in communion with God. "If there's no limbo and we're not going to revert to St. Augustine's teaching that unbaptized infants go to hell, we're left with only one option, namely, that everyone is born in the state of grace," said the Rev. Richard McBrien, professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame. "Baptism does not exist to wipe away the "stain" of original sin, but to initiate one into the Church," he said in an e-mailed response.

Benedict approved the findings of the International Theological Commission, a Vatican advisory panel, which said it was reassessing traditional teaching on limbo in light of "pressing" pastoral needs — primarily the growing number of abortions and infants born to non-believers who die without being baptized. While the report does not carry the authority of a papal encyclical or even the weight of a formal document from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, it was approved by the Pope on Jan. 19 and was published on the Internet — an indication that it was intended to be widely read by the faithful.

"We can say we have many reasons to hope that there is salvation for these babies," the Rev. Luis Ladaria, a Jesuit who is the commission's secretary-general, told The Associated Press. He stressed that there was no certainty, just hope. The Commission posted its document Friday on Origins, the documentary service of Catholic News Service, the news agency of the American Bishop's Conference.

The document traces centuries of Church views on the fate of unbaptized infants, paying particular attention to the writings of St. Augustine — the 4th century bishop who is particularly dear to Benedict. Augustine wrote that such infants do go to hell, but they suffer only the "mildest condemnation." In the document, the commission said such views are now out of date and there were "serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptized infants who die will be saved and enjoy the beatific vision." It stressed, however, that "these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge." No one can know for certain what becomes of unbaptized babies since Scripture is largely silent on the matter, the report said. It stressed that none of its findings should be taken as diminishing the need for parents to baptize infants. "Rather ... they provide strong grounds for hope that God will save infants when we have not been able to do for them what we would have wished to do, namely, to baptize them into the faith and life of the church."

Vatican watchers hailed the decision as both a sensitive and significant move by Benedict. "Parents who are mourning the death of their child are no longer going to be burdened with the added guilt of not having gotten their child baptized," said the Rev. Thomas Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University. He said the document also had implications for non-Christians, since it could be seen as suggesting that non-baptized adults could go to heaven if they led a good life. "I think it shows that Benedict is trying to balance his view of Jesus as being central as the savior of the world ... but at the same time not saying what the Evangelicals say, that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is going to hell," he said in a phone interview.

The International Theological Commission is a body of Vatican-appointed theologians who advise the pope and the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Benedict headed the Congregation for two decades before becoming pope in 2005.


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Sorry if this was already posted. I didn't see it. Thought it was very interesting.
1 posted on 04/21/2007 4:41:03 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: monkapotamus; NYer; All

OH MONK


2 posted on 04/21/2007 4:42:55 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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3 posted on 04/21/2007 4:44:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: varina davis

Misleading title.


4 posted on 04/21/2007 4:44:44 PM PDT by kinoxi
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5 posted on 04/21/2007 4:45:09 PM PDT by llevrok (It's crackers when you slip a rozzer in the dropsie and snide.)
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To: varina davis

Dang ...I always liked Limbo

6 posted on 04/21/2007 4:45:15 PM PDT by woofie
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To: varina davis

Do the Limbo baby! How low can you go?


7 posted on 04/21/2007 4:47:05 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: varina davis

Babies get a free ride back to Heavenly Father’s arms, baptized or not.


8 posted on 04/21/2007 4:51:34 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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To: varina davis

I’m not sure my mother-in-law will accept this easily. How long anyone waits to have a new baby baptized provides her with phone gossip.


9 posted on 04/21/2007 4:53:54 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Sorry if this was already posted. I didn't see it. Thought it was very interesting.

Indeed a most interesting topic with lots of comments on yesterday's thread:

Pope revises limbo for babies

10 posted on 04/21/2007 4:55:38 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: varina davis

Is Rome trying to move back into Biblical teaching reality?

That is a good sign if so.


11 posted on 04/21/2007 4:57:33 PM PDT by Radix (Want to know what real men are like? Get yourself invited to one of the poker games at my house.)
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What will happen to all the people that were there? Do they get Amnesty?


12 posted on 04/21/2007 5:10:25 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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It stressed, however, that "these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge." No one can know for certain what becomes of unbaptized babies since Scripture is largely silent on the matter, the report said.

This is the view of most Baptists and evangelicals. The pope, intentionally or not, is being pretty ecumenical here. I prefer to think he's just being honest.

It stressed that none of its findings should be taken as diminishing the need for parents to baptize infants. "Rather ... they provide strong grounds for hope that God will save infants when we have not been able to do for them what we would have wished to do, namely, to baptize them into the faith and life of the church."

Well, they are still hardened baby-splashers. No surprise.

Vatican watchers hailed the decision as both a sensitive and significant move by Benedict. "Parents who are mourning the death of their child are no longer going to be burdened with the added guilt of not having gotten their child baptized," said the Rev. Thomas Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University.

More of this deluded idea that the bathing of your infant by clergy will open the gates of Heaven.

He said the document also had implications for non-Christians, since it could be seen as suggesting that non-baptized adults could go to heaven if they led a good life.

No, the document did not say that! Let this pope speak for himself and stop twisting his words.



Along with his recent statements on evolutionism, this statement by Benedict makes it clear why he is a far more scholarly and thoughtful pope than his predecessor. He is a more broadly orthodox leader of his church, one who is removing thoughtfully some of the unnecessary theological barriers between us all. It's kind of disconcerting for a Rome-bashing Baptist like me to admit but Benedict seems to be, as popes go, a most reasonable pope.
13 posted on 04/21/2007 5:11:02 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Just say no to Brady Bunch Republicans.)
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To: Radix

Tertullian (ca. A.D. 200) and Gregory of Nazianzus (late fourth century) both held that baptism should wait until the child was old enough to be accountable.


14 posted on 04/21/2007 5:12:33 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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According to the Book of the Acts of the Apostles, a man must repent, in order to be born again.

Of course this invites a dialogue which I am simply not prepared for at this particular time. I have to get ready for work soon, and so my time is short.

Child baptism is completely unscriptural.

Tertullian and Gregory had a few things right.


15 posted on 04/21/2007 5:19:42 PM PDT by Radix (Want to know what real men are like? Get yourself invited to one of the poker games at my house.)
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To: varina davis

Why? Was it full of illegals?.....


16 posted on 04/21/2007 5:29:35 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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The Pope Banishes Limbo

Wow, for a minute I thought it Rush Limbo

As in the way Maxine Waters says it.

17 posted on 04/21/2007 5:41:38 PM PDT by Popman (New American Dream: Move to Mexican, cross the border, become an illegal. free everything)
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"If there's no limbo and we're not going to revert to St. Augustine's teaching that unbaptized infants go to hell”

Augustine wrote that such infants do go to hell, but they suffer only the "mildest condemnation."

"Parents who are mourning the death of their child are no longer going to be burdened with the added guilt of not having gotten their child baptized”


Wow! I not so amazed that the Catholic Church came to the conclusion that unbaptized infants don’t deserve to go to hell. I’m amazed that they just came to this conclusion in 2007.
18 posted on 04/21/2007 5:58:46 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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The teaching on limbo was ridiculous.

About time they saw the light.

19 posted on 04/21/2007 6:34:44 PM PDT by what's up
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To: varina davis

Interesting that limbo was never an official teaching of the Church. I always believed that these babies were in the hands of a loving and merciful God, and that their inability to have been baptized would not be held against them by Him.


20 posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:49 PM PDT by SuziQ
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