You know, I admire heroes as much as the next guy. But I have no faith in this story what-so-ever and it sounds like BS.
The mainstream media, in its biased zeal to paint Muslims as peaceful upstanding people, will go to any length to manufacture a good story about them, contrary facts notwithstanding.
If the wounded student intentionally sacrificed himself by creating a diversion for the gunman, knowing that the gunman would finish him off, with the specific intent of saving the other unharmed people in the room, then he is a real hero and I admire him very much for his unselfish sacrifice.
This story does NOT pass the logic test to me.
You have a room full of students gripped with terror, inc shock and suffering confusion from a sudden violent act. Do they know for sure there is only one shooter? Maybe and maybe not. How could the person being praised as a hero in this story - IMHO BECAUSE he is Muslim - possibly know that his dying would stop the murderer from then seeking and killing the other, unharmed people in the room. In that kind of situation, I think that would be a very bad assumption to believe that by his dying, the murderer would just quit and not seek other victims.
I just don’t believe this story. I think the wounded kid saw the gunman and just moved in reaction. Some people play possum. I assume he just startled, moved and made the murderer saw that and finished him off. The kid who was saved just saw the movement of the other kid and since he came through alive assumed an intent on the part of the wounded kid who was killed.
There are no facts in this story and we don’t know the e-mail. If the Muslim student waved his arms and yelled, “hey, over here” or something, then I am wrong and indeed he is a hero for trying and succeeding in calling attention to himself and away from others. Without knowing such details, it is just a stretch for me to believe a wounded kid would intentionally create a diversion knowing he would sacrifice his life for the others - especially in light of what I said in that he could NOT know that the murderer would not just step over his lifeless body and kill everyone else after the fact.
Absent other facts, I don’t believe the Muslim student tried to be a hero. I believe the student who survived is reading way too much into the other student’s action and the media - desperate for ANY story that praises Muslims - ran with his opinion.
If I am wrong, then I apologize for my mistake caused by my deep cynicism of the mainstream media.
Perhaps.
All we have to go on is what other students are saying,as the TV lady in the clip says ‘we will find out more soon’...
You theory is quite plausible...
I thought the same when I read the post but you wrote a longer version..
I believe that wounded student moved involuntarily or moaned due to his wounds etc....
There’s no plausibility to such an anonymous tale, coming out days after the stories of the Israeli professor, trying to counter-balance that with a story of “Muslim heroism”..... (1) why was the story not revealed immediately, as were other tales of heroism? (2) why does the person telling the tale hide behind anonymity? (3) think of the implausibility of a “movement” of momentary distraction of the killer — if a wounded person even thought that way, it would not be plausible to think that making the killer turn for a quick second to fire one more shot would be enough to save anyone else. It’s not like barring the door for as long as possible, a simple “distracting movement” followed by a fatal shot is not actually going to save anyone else.
No, absent any more convincing details this one does not pass the smell test.
I believe the fact that there was one shooter has been established beyond doubt. Otherwise, I would agree with your comments, and add that someone severely wounded or dying may make an involuntary movement/spasm which would attract attention.
In all fairness to the student who reported this (provided it's not a hoax, which is also possible, given the anonymity), when you've survived trauma such as this, it's common to relive it over and over in one's mind searching for reasons why you are still alive while so many others have died. As a result, some random event, such as another victim involuntarily distracting the killer, assumes an overblown significance.
Good Morning Freedom_Is_Not_Free,
This story sounds like a prefabricated tale to garner sympathy for the (Releigion of Terror) followers.
Why was this story not reported initially???? I would say a great way to help out the (camel dung jockeies) with some false liberal promulgated PR.
I do not think it is kosher presently for any member of islamicfacist world to give one’s life for an infidel.
Probably some liberal weenie trying to uplift the poor throat cutting muslims (low low pond scum) image in the world.
I am sure there are those who may disagree with me. (liberals and fools)
However as Jerry Lee Lewis once said,” They can all kiss my boy.”
FINF, your comments are 100% (Spot On) and I am glad to see some “Old School” intellect on the Free Republic.
Respectfully,
NSNR
Personally, I do not consider islam a religion. That being said, there are people in this world who are heroic and good, and follow the "religion" of islam.
This story, as described in this article, does not describe one of them.
There are no facts in this story and we don’t know the e-mail. If the Muslim student waved his arms and yelled, “hey, over here” or something, then I am wrong and indeed he is a hero for trying and succeeding in calling attention to himself and away from others. Without knowing such details, it is just a stretch for me to believe a wounded kid would intentionally create a diversion knowing he would sacrifice his life for the others - especially in light of what I said in that he could NOT know that the murderer would not just step over his lifeless body and kill everyone else after the fact.
Absent other facts, I don’t believe the Muslim student tried to be a hero. I believe the student who survived is reading way too much into the other student’s action and the media - desperate for ANY story that praises Muslims - ran with his opinion.
Spot on. This is thin fantasy. I'm surprise so many posters took it seriously.
There are so few facts in this story you have to conclude it is nothing more than PravdABDNC showing their bias once again. To them there is only one evil and that is America. Would not be surprised if their unnamed source is made up.
Pray for W and Our Troops
I have no problem with a true Muslim hero. I do have a problem with a manufactured Muslim ‘hero’, possibly in response to the Jewish hero that was mentioned in the news. Did this ‘hero’ even know anyone else was alive in the room? How did he know that Cho would have stopped shooting after he shot the ‘hero’. Just drawing attention to yourself so you can get shot, (and a possible free trip to paradise), is not heroic. I don’t see how his getting himself shot would prevent someone else from getting shot next.
You put exactly in to words my feelings when I read the story. It doesn't pass the smell test.
Sui
I agree with you. You would have to believe the muslim kid reasoned that the killer came back to finish off the wounded, and that he was only going to shoot one person - the one who distracted him - and let any others live. But there is no reason at all to think that the killer wouldn't have shot him, then turned and shot someone else. If the act lead to an escape, I might think "intent," but there just isn't a way to make the logic work in my mind, and I am a lot calmer and more logical now than someone laying wounded on a classroom floor.
This doesn't take away from the sadness of his death, or the deaths of any of the innocents.
He describes how he was left uninjured after Cho's initial round of shots. Meanwhile, Waleed had been wounded but was still alive. However, when Cho later returned to the classroom to inspect for signs of life among his victims, the surviving student struggled to remain calm. He believes he would have been shot dead were it not for Waleed's "protective movement" that distracted the gunman. Cho turned and shot Waleed for a second time, killing him, before leaving the classroom.
By his own description Anonymous was unhurt and could have escaped out the door after the psycho went elsewhere. If there was any other escape route that Anonymous would have felt safer using than the door, s/he could have used that and it seems reasonable s/he would have if one existed.
Thus, with no escape route available, a momentary distraction would have no chance of saving anyone. If Anonymous didn't take an escape route when there was no shooter present and s/he had plenty of time to get out, why would s/he then try it literally under the gun?
When the Holocaust survivor jammed the door with his body, his students DID have an escape route and used it even as the hero died.
This is NOT intended to demean or diminish Waleed who was a victim every bit as much as the non-Muslim victims. I too suspect he startled or moved in pain, causing the psycho to shoot him again. That would have taken seconds. I doubt the psycho would have forgotten about Anonymous if he had really noticed him before.
So while I don't fault the victim, I DO fault whoever made up this BS that doesn't even hang together well.
The kind, gentle, sweet people on this thread who figure Anonymous just didn't want into the media circus may be right. OTOH I suspect that if the name was given as Abu Jihadi Mohammed spinning this story, even the kind, gentle, sweet people would have sprayed coffee or soft drinks out their noses.
Thank you...I only had to go down 20 posts to finally find reason. ;^)
He should have stayed still. The Gunman could have shot him and kept shooting the others.
I agree. It COULD possibly be that the wounded man moved for any number of reasons. He had no idea of knowing that his movement would prevent anyone else from being shot because Cho came back to each of the rooms and continued shooting.
This sounds like the anonymous person, as a survivor, is trying to understand and make sense of the carnage. Possibly attributing a movement from a wounded person as a life saving effort helps him/her to feel better. And since the wounded man was a Muslim he gets more attention in this PC society, just like the homosexual man did on flight 93.
“You know, I admire heroes as much as the next guy. But I have no faith in this story what-so-ever and it sounds like BS.
The mainstream media, in its biased zeal to paint Muslims as peaceful upstanding people, will go to any length to manufacture a good story about them, contrary facts notwithstanding.
If the wounded student intentionally sacrificed himself by creating a diversion for the gunman, knowing that the gunman would finish him off, with the specific intent of saving the other unharmed people in the room, then he is a real hero and I admire him very much for his unselfish sacrifice.
This story does NOT pass the logic test to me.
You have a room full of students gripped with terror, inc shock and suffering confusion from a sudden violent act. Do they know for sure there is only one shooter? Maybe and maybe not. How could the person being praised as a hero in this story - IMHO BECAUSE he is Muslim - possibly know that his dying would stop the murderer from then seeking and killing the other, unharmed people in the room. In that kind of situation, I think that would be a very bad assumption to believe that by his dying, the murderer would just quit and not seek other victims.
I just don’t believe this story. I think the wounded kid saw the gunman and just moved in reaction. Some people play possum. I assume he just startled, moved and made the murderer saw that and finished him off. The kid who was saved just saw the movement of the other kid and since he came through alive assumed an intent on the part of the wounded kid who was killed.
There are no facts in this story and we don’t know the e-mail. If the Muslim student waved his arms and yelled, “hey, over here” or something, then I am wrong and indeed he is a hero for trying and succeeding in calling attention to himself and away from others. Without knowing such details, it is just a stretch for me to believe a wounded kid would intentionally create a diversion knowing he would sacrifice his life for the others - especially in light of what I said in that he could NOT know that the murderer would not just step over his lifeless body and kill everyone else after the fact.
Absent other facts, I don’t believe the Muslim student tried to be a hero. I believe the student who survived is reading way too much into the other student’s action and the media - desperate for ANY story that praises Muslims - ran with his opinion.
If I am wrong, then I apologize for my mistake caused by my deep cynicism of the mainstream media.”
I just thought I would repeat your thoughtful post.
Bears repeating!