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New rhetoric in SCOTUS abortion ruling (Ginsgerg: Stop calling a 2nd trimester "fetus" a "baby")
Associated Press ^ | 04/19/07 | PETE YOST

Posted on 04/19/2007 9:56:32 AM PDT by presidio9

Ever since Roe v. Wade in 1973, graphic descriptions of abortion have been staples of abortion opponents. Abortion rights advocates have preferred more scientific terms. Neither is by accident.

The Supreme Court adopted the more graphic approach Wednesday as a conservative majority of justices upheld a nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure.

"The way in which the fetus will be killed ... is of legitimate concern" to the government, the majority said.

In opinions after Roe v. Wade, the decision saying a woman has a constitutional right to abortion, clinical terminology has been the order of the day at the court.

All that changed in 2000, when Justice Anthony Kennedy described abortion procedures in painstaking detail. He did so as a dissenter in Stenberg v. Carhart, the ruling striking down Nebraska's ban on what opponents call partial-birth abortions.

"Repeated references to sources understandable only to a trained physician may obscure matters for persons not trained in medical terminology," Kennedy wrote in 2000. "Thus it seems necessary at the outset to set forth what may happen during an abortion."

Kennedy then explained abortion procedures in explicit terms that hadn't been seen previously at the court. The break with tradition prompted Justice John Paul Stevens to note in a concurring opinion, "Much ink is spilled today describing the gruesome nature of late-term abortion procedures."

Kennedy returned to form Wednesday when he wrote the decision of the court.

"It is self-evident that a mother who comes to regret her choice to abort must struggle with grief more anguished and sorrow more profound when she learns ... what she once did not know: that she allowed a doctor to pierce the skull and vacuum the fast-developing brain of her unborn child," Kennedy wrote.

In a forceful dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg suggested that Kennedy's word-choice goes too far.

"Throughout, the opinion refers to obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons who perform abortions not by the titles of their medical specialties, but by the pejorative label `abortion doctor,'" wrote Ginsburg. "A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;' second-trimester, previability abortions are referred to as 'late-term.'"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; partialbirthabortion; prolife; ruthbaderginsburg
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To: presidio9

You have to hear this.

Wilkow had Gandy on from NOW re: partial birth abortion decision... she claims she doesn’t know the procedure.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/19/audio-president-of-now-a-little-hazy-on-the-details-of-partial-birth-abortion/


101 posted on 04/19/2007 11:54:18 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray for Tony Snow, Liz Edwards, cancer patients, their families and support.)
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To: presidio9

“the opinion refers to obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons who perform abortions not by the titles of their medical specialties, but by the pejorative label `abortion doctor,’” wrote Ginsburg.”

Hey (in)justice Ginsburg - If there is nothing wrong with abortion why is being called an abortion doctor “pejorative”?


102 posted on 04/19/2007 11:55:28 AM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
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To: Badeye

Her soul is dead. Corroded away by philosophical materialism...in otherwords, liberal.


103 posted on 04/19/2007 11:56:08 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: potlatch

Two oldies I recalled and put together


104 posted on 04/19/2007 12:06:04 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: Beelzebubba
...then referring to the third trimester viable fetus as a baby is most clear and correct.

Sorry. But the status of an unborn child (the parasitic 'fetus') depends entirely on how the mother (the 'host') feels about it.

If she wants it, it's a baby from the day of conception.
If she doesn't, it's a fetus, akin to a cancer tumor which must be excised.

Someday, we will finally force this issue fully with the voters. And they'll vote with us when we can finally force them to face the reality of this issue.
105 posted on 04/19/2007 12:14:31 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Dead Dog

“Her soul is dead.’

Best description of her I’ve ever seen.


106 posted on 04/19/2007 12:15:37 PM PDT by Badeye (Sally's not well? No kidding....)
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To: Beelzebubba

bttt


107 posted on 04/19/2007 12:51:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: xkaydet65

I agree, but sadly it won’t happen. She would accuse the lawyer of intimidation.


108 posted on 04/19/2007 1:10:54 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: MHGinTN

Good points.


109 posted on 04/19/2007 1:12:37 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: presidio9

Ginsburg is pitiful.


110 posted on 04/19/2007 1:15:08 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: presidio9
"Throughout, the opinion refers to obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons who perform abortions not by the titles of their medical specialties, but by the pejorative label `abortion doctor,'" wrote Ginsburg. "A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;' second-trimester, previability abortions are referred to as 'late-term.'"

The outrage of someone who survived the procedure. How about if we call the victims "pre-born human beings" for legal purposes? Nothing technically inaccurate about that is their, Mz Brainsuck?

112 posted on 04/19/2007 1:39:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America.)
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To: AntiGuv

Separated at birth?

113 posted on 04/19/2007 2:11:41 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Ginsberg: “It blurs the line, firmly drawn in Casey,between previability and postviability abortions.” Wait a minute. What is this “firmly drawn” line? Is this sophistry or what?

Casey was one of the worst opinions ever. It was written by O'Connor. Basically, it said that we should go on allowing abortion because the Supreme Court had already decided Roe v. Wade, and now women are counting on being able to abort.

114 posted on 04/19/2007 2:20:16 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Badeye
She seems to be a rather miserable human being.

Well, you got the miserable part right, I don't know if she qualifies as a human being. Instead of protecting life she would rather quibble about the language used in the winning argument.

115 posted on 04/19/2007 2:25:31 PM PDT by semaj (Just shoot the bastards! * Void where prohibited.)
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To: presidio9
After the 24th week of gestation, a fetus, is a potentially viable human life. That is, a fetus of 24 weeks can survive and thrive outside the womb, with proper medical care of course.

That is a fact.

What these ignorant pigs will likely do next is get some scum bag lawyers to redefine the language once again.

Not that it matters, since they are willing to kill (so-called) fetuses in the 39th week of gestation or even later.

116 posted on 04/19/2007 2:28:12 PM PDT by Radix (My Tag Line was almost partiallyaborted........)
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To: Badeye

No, not “misrable human”, nor even “human”, but “smarmy old bat”.


117 posted on 04/19/2007 3:11:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Badeye

Our prayers should be that both Gins and Stevens simply retire and as soon as possible. Let W appoint two really controversial conservs and make the Dems rail and rant to give them as much trouble as possible. Say, J.R.Brown et al. What a nice way.


118 posted on 04/19/2007 3:24:25 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Badeye

“She seems to be a rather miserable human being.”
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SHE IS a MISERABLE EXCUSE of a HUMAN BEING.


119 posted on 04/19/2007 3:31:48 PM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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To: presidio9

wanted child = unborn child, baby
unwanted child = parisite, tumor, tissue mass

I found this interesting. This is from a website where they were describing abortion. As you read through the procedure, you’ll notice they never mention even the words embryo or fetus. It doesn’t sound like terminating a pregnancy at all according to this:

D&E usually takes 30 minutes. It is usually done in a hospital but does not require an overnight stay. It can also be done at a clinic where health professionals are specially trained to perform abortion. During a D&E procedure, your health professional will:

Give you a first dose of antibiotic to prevent infection

Position you on the exam table in the same position used for a pelvic exam, with your feet on stirrups while lying on your back.

Insert a speculum into the vagina.

Clean the vagina and cervix with an antiseptic solution.

Give you a pain medication injection in the cervical area (paracervical block) along with a sedative. If the procedure is done in an operating room, you could receive a spinal anesthesia injection into the fluid around the spinal cord, which numbs the area between your legs, or general anesthesia, which makes you unconscious.

Grasp the cervix with an instrument to hold the uterus in place.

Dilate the cervical canal with probes of increasing size. An abortion in the second 12 weeks will need the cervix to be dilated more than required for a vacuum aspiration or D&C.

Pass a hollow tube (cannula) into the uterus. The cannula is attached by tubing to a bottle and a pump that provides a gentle vacuum to remove tissue in the uterus. Some cramping is felt during the rest of the procedure.

Use a curved instrument (curette) to gently scrape the lining of the uterus and remove tissue in the uterus.

Pass a grasping instrument (forceps) into the uterus to grasp larger pieces of tissue. This is more likely in pregnancies of 16 weeks or more and is done before the uterine lining is scraped with a curette.

Use suction, which may be done as a final step to make sure the uterine contents are completely removed.

Give you a medication to reduce the amount of bleeding with the procedure.

The uterine tissue removed during the D&E is examined to make sure that all of the tissue was removed and the abortion is complete.

Health professionals may use ultrasound during the D&E procedure to confirm that all of the tissue has been removed and the pregnancy has ended.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-gu...DE-for-abortion

Webmd only talks of tissue and uterine contents, they don’t even mention the word fetus.


120 posted on 04/19/2007 3:59:45 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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