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Was Virginia Tech killer a Muslim terrorist? (Some minor hints he was.)
Allah Pundit, Little Green Footballs, Smoking Gun ^ | 4/17/07 | Dangus

Posted on 04/17/2007 3:50:27 PM PDT by dangus

I read the following from Little Green Footballs:

"Apparently, South Korean student Seung Hui Cho signed his note, “Ismail Ax,” and also wrote those words on his arm. All other signs right now point to this being a deranged individual with a history of odd behavior (not a “sudden jihadi”), but this is very curious."

Hotair.com suggests that he meant only to refer to a story by an author named Ishmael:

You probably already know this, but in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.

And its widely reported that Cho's writings freaked out one of his English professors. Smoking Gun had one on-line. I read it.

What immidiately stood out was some of the strange language Cho's character used: All of the characters have typically American names, yet "John" uses some strange epithets. The story is basically about a step-son's unexplained rage at a step-father whom he accuses of killing his real father, and (falsely), of molesting him. The father a "fat piece of pork," and "McPork." (The latter is a mockery of his unusual, and unexplained, last name, McBeef.)

It's only weak evidence, I know, but it's just so straaaange...


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To: xsmommy

>> Northern VA has an incredibly large asian population, including Korean, he would not need to speak english in order to socialize. his lack of friends would be more likely a result of antisocial behavior than lack of a peer group to socialize with. <<

The Koreans I know in Nothern VA are so intent on assimilation that you’d never guess they were born overseas. I was even a little taken aback to witness several of them chanting together, “It’s bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!” (It’s a very popular Gwen Stefani song from last year.)


101 posted on 04/17/2007 4:51:14 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Publius
Cho supposedly chained the doors to the building to prevent his victims from escaping. But so far I’ve heard of no witnesses who saw him carrying chains. Something like that should have stood out.

Exactly! These details really boggle the mind. How could this guy and this behavior not have stood out to security etc that morning?

102 posted on 04/17/2007 4:51:18 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: shield

Previous reports indicated that he typically put three shots in each victim.


103 posted on 04/17/2007 4:51:18 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: dangus

Quite franly does it matter? What if it was, how would that have changed what happened? How would it keep some individual looney or extremeist from doing it in the future?

This makes for intriguing guess work, but at the end of the day a single lunatic killed people. I do not see any way that we are going to stop this other then by the quick reactions of individuals on site. We cannot mind read and I am not about to put every individual that is of asian or muslim heritage on alert, besides we wouldn’t have the man power to do it.

Just my two cents.


105 posted on 04/17/2007 4:54:14 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: FReepaholic

The North Koreans beat the Moslems and even the Chinese to it. Don’t forget, though, the North Koreans sell missiles to Moslems. There is always a connection if you are dealing with a North Korean (former) apparatchik.


106 posted on 04/17/2007 4:56:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: shoedog

finley park and the mosque in portland or


107 posted on 04/17/2007 4:56:39 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Publius

When his dorm room was searched they found chain identical to what was on the doors.

This was in this mornings news.


108 posted on 04/17/2007 4:57:29 PM PDT by sleddogs
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To: dangus

The title of the play was Richard McBeef. In Old English, MacBeth was MacBeath. That was the parody I was alluding to.


109 posted on 04/17/2007 4:58:04 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Publius

NOTE: Heard it reported on radio news about 1 PM that the cops found chain links of the exact same kind in his dormatory room.


110 posted on 04/17/2007 4:58:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fatima

there was a second writing. Do we have link to that as well?


111 posted on 04/17/2007 4:58:44 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: shoedog

Yes, it does matter, for the same reason that 3,000 people dying in a building collapse is very different than 3,000 people dying from a heat wave in Southern France; if he’s a random psycho who had too easy access to guns, it means quite a different thing than if he was a committed killer set loose on us by a virulent ideology.


112 posted on 04/17/2007 4:58:46 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Except he’s from Turkey. A bit strange for a Korean-Canadian-American to seek out a Turk, no?

Dr. Ismail Ak is a leading expert in exactly the kinds of problems Cho had. Cho may have been given the name or found it on his own. E-mail correspondence, Internet/library articles, etc., are possibilities.

I'm not saying my Ismail Ak theory is a sure thing. But it's certainly a line of inquiry that needs to be pursued--IF the writing on the arm could be an "ISMAIL AK" that LOOKED LIKE or WAS READ AS "ISMAIL AX."

113 posted on 04/17/2007 5:00:07 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson ("ISMAIL AX" is really "ISMAIL AK".)
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To: dangus
No, not strange at all ~ the internet world's just a click away. Besides, we have plenty of Turkish Moslems in this area ~ one of them might have recommended Dr. Ak to Cho.

BTW, Turkish and Korean languages are part of the Uralic-Altaic group.

114 posted on 04/17/2007 5:00:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dangus

if ever did go to mosque, even once- Well would we not want to know?


115 posted on 04/17/2007 5:00:41 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: muawiyah

Sound more like the sort of ideological trash one would find in a university English department on pretty much any campus. Also sounds like what you find at the typical campus anti Israel rally.


116 posted on 04/17/2007 5:01:07 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

I get the similarity in names, I just don’t get what his character has to do with MacBeth; it seems a non-sequitur.


117 posted on 04/17/2007 5:01:13 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Southack
You wrote: “The murderer wrote a play with banging the soles of shoes as an insult, calling someone “McPork” as an insult, wrote “Ismail Ax” on his left arm, ranted against women and debauchery...then killed 32 people (including a Jewish professor who survived the Holocaust) on Holocaust Memorial Day.”

I say, once is happenstance, twice coincidence, thrice enemy action. Too many coincidences in what you wrote.

118 posted on 04/17/2007 5:01:30 PM PDT by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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To: muawiyah

>> BTW, Turkish and Korean languages are part of the Uralic-Altaic group. <<

Interesting point, but its not like they are mutually intelligible.


119 posted on 04/17/2007 5:02:33 PM PDT by dangus
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To: fooman
I only saw the smoking gun one.I can tell you the police were at my daughter’s University today.They were just looking around but they were there.
120 posted on 04/17/2007 5:02:47 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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