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Was Virginia Tech killer a Muslim terrorist? (Some minor hints he was.)
Allah Pundit, Little Green Footballs, Smoking Gun ^ | 4/17/07 | Dangus

Posted on 04/17/2007 3:50:27 PM PDT by dangus

I read the following from Little Green Footballs:

"Apparently, South Korean student Seung Hui Cho signed his note, “Ismail Ax,” and also wrote those words on his arm. All other signs right now point to this being a deranged individual with a history of odd behavior (not a “sudden jihadi”), but this is very curious."

Hotair.com suggests that he meant only to refer to a story by an author named Ishmael:

You probably already know this, but in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.

And its widely reported that Cho's writings freaked out one of his English professors. Smoking Gun had one on-line. I read it.

What immidiately stood out was some of the strange language Cho's character used: All of the characters have typically American names, yet "John" uses some strange epithets. The story is basically about a step-son's unexplained rage at a step-father whom he accuses of killing his real father, and (falsely), of molesting him. The father a "fat piece of pork," and "McPork." (The latter is a mockery of his unusual, and unexplained, last name, McBeef.)

It's only weak evidence, I know, but it's just so straaaange...


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To: Southack

Sodomy references are in both plays - Richard (Dick) McBeef and Mr. Brownstone. Even in the titles!


61 posted on 04/17/2007 4:34:47 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: dangus

Isn’t Ismail a character in a pc computer game? A character that has an axe?


62 posted on 04/17/2007 4:35:12 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: dangus
Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a “Ismail” Royer (“Royer”), pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia.
63 posted on 04/17/2007 4:35:39 PM PDT by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: Porterville
It has everything to do with mental illness. Seems like the guy had depression and probably schizophrenia. If he was acting out, I’m not sure why the college didn’t kick him out for the semester. Strikes me as a call for help.

I’m also wondering about the high school and his connection to the first victim. It seems that he knew her from HS (or perhaps his sister did). Perhaps, there’s some sort of perceived smear or something..

64 posted on 04/17/2007 4:35:47 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: COEXERJ145
Many FReepers have this weird desire to paint every murderer as either a Muslim or illegal alien.

I had noticed that.

65 posted on 04/17/2007 4:35:52 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: dangus

Yup. And Eric Harris was motivated by the movie “The Matrix” because he wore a long, leather jacket (actually mentioned by “media-its” at the time).

Honestly, speculation at this point will look ridiculous in a few days.

Mike Savage is now spreading the rumor that anti-depressants caused the tragedy. Wadda moron.


67 posted on 04/17/2007 4:37:08 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: fatima

it is odd. AND he does not like Catholics either


68 posted on 04/17/2007 4:37:30 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: xp38

>> Well if he was he was a quiet one. Usually Allah Ackbar is being yelled when they are in the orgiastic throws of their violence. I haven’t heard any reports of that so far...just that he had a smile and said nothing. <<

I haven’t heard word one of what he did or did not say... and the killings took several minutes; it’s not like there was one moment that would have grabbed everyone’s attention, for him to yell, “Allah Akbar.”


69 posted on 04/17/2007 4:38:15 PM PDT by dangus
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To: fooman

“it is odd. I he does not like Catholics either.”

Doesn’t seem like anyone else noticed this, and nothing has been said about it. Came across quite strongly.


70 posted on 04/17/2007 4:39:02 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: fooman

Hated Catholics, priests, male authority figures, old people, teachers, profs, McDonalds (is that a symbol for Western, modern, culture), women and TV. Yeah he was a nutball. But even nut balls have a belief system. What was his?


71 posted on 04/17/2007 4:39:32 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: milford421

see correction at 68


72 posted on 04/17/2007 4:39:50 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: alloysteel

>> Young Cho has something of a mental chemical imbalance, manifesting itself in schizophrenic paranoic behavior. The implied accusation of the parents of abuse, both sexual and emotional, may be one indication of this. <<

Yes, even his main character’s accusations of pedophilic abuse seem entirely unwarranted.

>> Islam seems to condone the expression of taking the lives of the “unbelievers”, and when one is sufficiently paranoic, that term can include just about anybody that you think has looked at you wrongly. <<

That’s actually a very unnerving point. He rants about the decadence of American society.


73 posted on 04/17/2007 4:40:22 PM PDT by dangus
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To: FReepaholic

I’ve heard that about VA, that it was a hot spot for radical Islam, like MN.

It just doesn’t make sense that he’s be referring to some Turkish shrink he refused to even meet.


74 posted on 04/17/2007 4:40:24 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: GOP_1900AD

> But even nut balls have a belief system. What was his?

That good writing could lend meaning to life was clearly no part of it.


75 posted on 04/17/2007 4:40:39 PM PDT by socrates_shoe
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To: dangus
"Decadent American Society" sounds suspiciously like a North Korean political slogan.

Wonder how many more "slogans" he might have picked up in his youth were seeping through his insane mind.

(Working on the hypothesis that the family were actually North Korean defectors ~ which would 'splain why they lived in Centerville.)

76 posted on 04/17/2007 4:40:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fooman

“see correction at 68” No problem fooman.


77 posted on 04/17/2007 4:41:10 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: ArtyFO

>> Ishmail= Jewish
Ismail= Islamic <<

I thought so, but I couldn’t find good substantiation, so I left it out.


78 posted on 04/17/2007 4:41:46 PM PDT by dangus
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To: COEXERJ145
Many FReepers have this weird desire to paint every murderer as either a Muslim or illegal alien.

I think many FReepers want to inquire. I don’t see anything wrong with that as long as one accepts the evidence once it is in. When it comes to a failure to accept evidence, the problem is more apt to be with the MSM. Do they believe in any case of domestic Muslim terrorism?
79 posted on 04/17/2007 4:41:59 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
...this guy knew what he was doing with a gun..

Northern Virginiastan

http://www.americancongressfortruth.org/ArchDetails.aspx?id=147 He could have received training from groups in Northern Virginia.

A connection to sniper Lee Malvo?

John Allen Muhammad had contact with a mosque in Northern virginia

http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/snipernews.html

80 posted on 04/17/2007 4:42:27 PM PDT by Nachum
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